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Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:07 PM
this thread is dedicated to all cheongers and esp the OKTs.....

Under the Sg LAW Any person who —

1 (a) sells, lets for hire or otherwise disposes of or buys or hires or otherwise obtains possession of any woman or girl with intent that she shall be employed or used for the purpose of prostitution either within or without Singapore, or knowing or having reason to believe that she will be so employed or used;
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(b) procures any woman or girl to have either within or without Singapore carnal connection except by way of marriage with any male person or for the purpose of prostitution either within or without Singapore;
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(c) by threats or intimidation procures any woman or girl to have carnal connection except by way of marriage with any male person either within or without Singapore;
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(d) brings into Singapore, receives or harbours any woman or girl knowing or having reason to believe that she has been procured for the purpose of having carnal connection except by way of marriage with any male person or for the purpose of prostitution either within or without Singapore and with intent to aid such purpose;

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(e) knowing or having reason to believe that any woman or girl has been procured by threats or intimidation for the purpose of having carnal connection except by way of marriage with any male person, either within or without Singapore, receives or harbours her with intent to aid such purpose;

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(f) knowing or having reason to believe that any woman or girl has been brought into Singapore in breach of section 142 or has been sold or purchased in breach of paragraph (a) receives or harbours her with intent that she may be employed or used for the purpose of prostitution either within or without Singapore;

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(g) detains any woman or girl against her will on any premises with the intention that she shall have carnal connection except by way of marriage with any male person, or detains any woman or girl against her will in a brothel;

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(h) detains any woman or girl in any place against her will with intent that she may be employed or used for the purpose of prostitution or for any unlawful or immoral purpose;

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(i) has carnal connection with any girl below the age of 16 years except by way of marriage; or

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(j) attempts to do any act in contravention of this section,

shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years and shall also be liable to a fine not exceeding $10,000.

2) Any male person who is convicted of a second or subsequent offence under subsection (1) (a), (b), (c), (d), (e) or (f) shall, in addition to any term of imprisonment awarded in respect of such offence, be liable to caning.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:14 PM
con't from above Under the Sg LAW Any person who — 1 and 2


(3) For the purposes of this section, it shall be presumed until the contrary is proved that —

(a) a person who takes or causes to be taken into a brothel any woman or girl has disposed of her with the intent or knowledge mentioned in subsection (1) (a);

(b) a person who receives any woman or girl into a brothel has obtained possession of her with the intent or knowledge mentioned in subsection (1) (a);

(c) a person has detained a woman or girl in any brothel or place against her will if, with intent to compel or induce her to remain therein, that person —

(i) withholds from that woman or girl any wearing apparel or any other property belonging to her or any wearing apparel commonly or last used by her;

(ii) where wearing apparel or any other property has been lent or hired out or supplied to that woman or girl, threatens her with legal proceedings if she takes away such wearing apparel or property; or

(iii) threatens that woman or girl with legal proceedings for the recovery of any debt or alleged debt or uses any other threat whatsoever.

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(4) Reasonable cause to believe that a girl was of or above the age of 16 years shall not be a defence to a charge of an offence under subsection (1) (i).

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(5) In the case of a man below the age of 21 years, the presence of reasonable cause to believe that the girl was above the age of 16 years shall be a valid defence on the first occasion on which he is charged with an offence under subsection (1) (i).

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:16 PM
Traffic in women and girls

141. (1) Any person who buys, sells, procures, traffics in, or brings into or takes out of Singapore for the purpose of such traffic, and whether or not for the purpose of present or subsequent prostitution, any woman or girl, shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years and shall also be liable to a fine not exceeding $10,000.

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(2) No person shall be charged with an offence under this section if he satisfies the Director that the woman or girl brought into or taken out of Singapore by him or intended to be brought into or taken out of Singapore by him was so brought into or taken out of Singapore or is intended to be so brought into or taken out of Singapore for the purpose of her marriage or adoption and that such marriage or adoption can be solemnized or made and has been or will be solemnized or made under the laws and customs for the time being in force in Singapore.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:18 PM
Importation of woman or girl by false pretences

142. Any person who by or under false pretence, false representation or fraudulent or deceitful means made or used either within or without Singapore brings into, or takes out of, or assists in bringing into, or assists in taking out of, Singapore any woman or girl —

(a) with intent that she shall be employed or used for the purpose of prostitution either within or without Singapore;

(b) knowing or having reason to believe that she will be so employed or used; or

(c) whether or not for the purpose of present or future prostitution,

shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years and shall also be liable to a fine not exceeding $10,000.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:19 PM
Permitting girl below the age of 16 to use premises for intercourse

143. Any person who is the owner or occupier of any premises, or who has, or acts or assists in, the management or control of any premises, induces or knowingly permits a girl below the age of 16 years to resort to or be on those premises for the purpose of having sexual intercourse except by way of marriage with any male person shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:20 PM
Permitting mental defective to use premises for intercourse

144. (1) Subject to subsection (2), any person who is the owner or occupier of any premises or who has, or acts or assists in, the management or control of any premises, induces or knowingly permits a woman who is a mental defective to resort to or be on those premises for the purpose of having sexual intercourse except by way of marriage with any male person shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both.

(2) A person shall not be guilty of an offence under this section because he induces or knowingly permits a mental defective to resort to or be on any premises for the purpose mentioned, if he does not know and has no reason to suspect her to be a mental defective.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:22 PM
Causing or encouraging prostitution of, intercourse with, or indecent assault on, girl below the age of 16

145. (1) Any person who causes or encourages the prostitution of, or the commission of unlawful sexual intercourse with, or of an indecent assault on, a girl below the age of 16 years for whom he is responsible shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both.

(2) Where a girl has become a prostitute, or has had unlawful sexual intercourse, or has been indecently assaulted, a person shall be deemed for the purposes of this section to have caused or encouraged it, if he knowingly allowed her to consort with or to enter or continue in the employment of, any prostitute or person of known immoral character.

(3) The persons who are to be treated for the purposes of this section as responsible for a girl are (subject to subsection (4)) —

"legal guardian" , in relation to any girl, means any person who is for the time being her guardian, having been appointed according to law by deed or will or by order of a court of competent jurisdiction;

"parent" , in relation to any girl, does not include a person deprived of the custody of her by order of a court of competent jurisdiction but (subject to that), in the case of a girl who has been adopted under the Adoption of Children Act (Cap. 4), or any enactment thereby repealed, means her adopters and, in the case of a girl who is illegitimate (and has not been so adopted), means her mother and any person who has been adjudged to be her putative father.

(4) If, on a charge of an offence against a girl under this section, the girl appears to the court to have been below the age of 16 years at the time of the offence charged, she shall be presumed for the purposes of this section to have been so, unless the contrary is proved.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:24 PM
Persons living on or trading in prostitution

146. (1) Any person who knowingly lives wholly or in part on the earnings of the prostitution of another person shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years and shall also be liable to a fine not exceeding $10,000.

(2) Any male person who is convicted of a second or subsequent offence under this section shall, in addition to any term of imprisonment imposed in respect of such offence, be liable to caning.


(3) Where any person is proved to live with or be habitually in the company of any prostitute or is proved to have exercised control, direction or influence over the movements of any prostitute in such a manner as to show that the person is aiding, abetting or compelling her prostitution with any other person or generally, the person shall, in the absence of proof to the contrary, be deemed to be knowingly living on the earnings of prostitution.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:25 PM
Suppression of places of assignation

147. (1) Any person who keeps, manages or assists in the management of a place of assignation shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.

(2) Any person who keeps, manages or assists in the management of a club or a place of public resort which is used as a place of assignation shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $15,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or to both

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:31 PM
Promoting a girl who is under 16 here... is also classified under that... you HAVE BEEN WARNED.. so even if you say i am ONLY HELPING OUT a friend..bababba..U are just as gulity..



145. (1) Any person who causes or encourages the prostitution of, or the commission of unlawful sexual intercourse with, or of an indecent assault on, a girl below the age of 16 years for whom he is responsible shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:33 PM
Suppression of brothels

148. (1) Any person who keeps, manages or assists in the management of a brothel shall be guilty of an offence under this section.


(2) Any person who is the tenant, lessee, occupier or person in charge of any place which is used as a brothel shall, unless he proves that he has no knowledge that the place is used as a brothel, be guilty of an offence under this section.


(3) Any person who being the tenant, lessee, occupier or person in charge of any place lets such place or any part thereof shall notwithstanding such letting be guilty of an offence under subsection (2) if the place or any part thereof is used as a brothel, unless he proves that he has no knowledge that the place or any part thereof is used as a brothel.


(4) Any person who being the owner of any place or the agent of that owner lets the same or any part thereof with the knowledge that the place or some part thereof is to be used as a brothel or is wilfully a party to the continued use of the place or any part thereof as a brothel shall, notwithstanding such letting, be guilty of an offence under this section.


(5) Any person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $10,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years or to both.


(6) In any proceedings under this Part, any evidence given by any police officer not below the rank of sergeant that any place has been used as a brothel or a place of assignation shall, until the contrary is proved, be deemed to be sufficient evidence of the fact.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:34 PM
Notice to owner and occupier

149. (1) Where the Director has reason to believe that a place is being used as a brothel or as a place of assignation, he may serve or cause to be served a notice in the prescribed form on the owner of the place, as well as the occupier thereof.


(2) If the owner or occupier is not otherwise known, service shall be made on the person inscribed in the books kept under any written law for the time being in force as the owner or occupier of the place; and if the name of the owner or occupier is not inscribed in those books or if the name of the owner or occupier cannot by the exercise of due diligence be found, then the notice may be served by affixing it to the principal outer door or upon the outside of any door or window or any conspicuous part of the place.


(3) Every occupier receiving a notice under this section shall forthwith inform the owner or the person from whom he rents the place of the fact of receipt of the notice who shall in like manner inform the owner or the person from whom he rents the place and so on till the notice is brought to the knowledge of the owner, each tenant being responsible for bringing the notice to the knowledge of his immediate lessor.


(4) Any occupier who refuses or omits to inform the owner or the person from whom he rents the premises that a notice under this section has been received shall be liable to prosecution under section 225c of the Penal Code (Cap. 224).


(5) If, in proceedings under this Part, it is proved that the notice under subsection (1) has been served on the owner or occupier of a place, it shall be presumed that the place is so kept, managed or used to the knowledge or with the permission of the owner or occupier of the place.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:36 PM
Determination of tenancy of places on conviction for permitting use as brothel, etc.

150. (1) Upon the conviction of the occupier of any place for any offence under section 147 or 148 in respect of the place, the owner of the place shall within one month require the person so convicted to deliver up possession of the place to the owner, and in the event of the person so convicted failing within one month of being so required to deliver up possession as aforesaid, the owner of the place shall be entitled to determine the lease or contract of tenancy but without prejudice to the rights or remedies of any party to the lease or contract accrued before the date of such determination.


(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of the Control of Rent Act (Cap. 58) , where the owner of any place has determined the lease or contract of tenancy in accordance with subsection (1) and the occupier has not delivered up possession of the place after such determination, a Magistrate’s Court may, on the application of the owner, make a summary order for the delivery of possession of the place to the owner.


(3) If the occupier disobeys any order made by a Magistrate’s Court under subsection (2), he shall be liable to the penalty prescribed in that behalf in section 188 of the Penal Code (Cap. 224).

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:37 PM
Authority of courts to issue arrest and search warrants

152. If any court has reason to believe that any place is used by a woman or girl for the purpose of prostitution and that any other person residing in or frequenting the house is living wholly or in part on the immoral earnings of that woman or girl, the court may issue a warrant authorising the Director or any public officer nominated by the Minister or any police officer not below the rank of sergeant to enter and search the place and to arrest such person.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:39 PM
Trials in camera in certain cases


153. (1) When any person is charged with or convicted of having committed any offence under this Part, or under section 354, 354A, 376 or 376B, or sections 354 and 511, or sections 354A and 511 or sections 376 and 511, or sections 376B and 511 of the Penal Code (Cap. 224) in respect of any woman or girl, the court conducting a preliminary inquiry into, or trying the offence, or hearing any appeal or special case or any point reserved by a Judge of the High Court in relation to the offence, may order that all proceedings before it shall be dealt with in camera.


(2) Whenever any such order is made, the court shall not be deemed an open court, and the court shall order that no person shall have access to or be or remain in the court except such persons as are necessary for the purpose of the proceedings.


(3) The court shall order proceedings before it to be dealt with in camera in any case where the girl in respect of whom an offence under this Part, or under section 354, 354A, 376 or 376B, or sections 354 and 511, or sections 354A and 511, or sections 376 and 511, or sections 376B and 511 of the Penal Code is alleged to have been committed has not attained the age of 16 years.


(4) No newspaper report of any proceedings under this Part in any court shall reveal —

(a) the name or address or include any particulars given in the proceedings calculated to lead to the identification; or

(b) the name or address of any witness, or the particulars of any evidence given by the witness in the proceedings, which may lead to the identification,

of any woman or girl in respect of whom the offence is alleged to have been committed nor shall any picture be published in any newspaper as being or including the picture of the woman or girl or witness.


(5) Any person who publishes any matter in contravention of this section shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to both.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:40 PM
Director may examine women and girls and person in charge of them

156. (1) If the Director has reasonable cause to believe that —

(a) any woman or girl has been brought into Singapore either after having been purchased or by fraud, misrepresentation or any false pretence whether or not for the purpose of prostitution or of being sent from Singapore;

(b) the custody of any woman or girl has been acquired either after having been purchased or by fraud, misrepresentation or any false pretence whether or not for the purpose of prostitution or of being sent from Singapore;

(c) any woman or girl has been purchased either within or without Singapore for the purpose of being used, trained or disposed of as a prostitute; or

(d) any woman or girl is being detained against her will for the purpose of prostitution or of being sent from Singapore for immoral purposes,

the Director, or any person authorised in that behalf by him in writing, may require the woman or girl and any person who appears to have the custody or control of her to appear before him at any reasonable time and at any convenient place.

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(2) The Director may examine the woman or girl as to her reasons for entering or being in Singapore and may examine the person respecting the woman or girl, and the woman or girl and the person shall be legally bound to answer such questions truthfully to the best of their ability.

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(3) The Director may also require any person in whose custody or under whose control the woman or girl appears to be to furnish him with copies of her and the person’s photograph and to furnish security to the satisfaction of the Director that she will not leave Singapore without the previous consent in writing of the Director and will not be trained or disposed of as a prostitute or for immoral purposes and will not, whether by way of adoption, marriage or otherwise, be transferred to the care and custody of any other person without the previous consent in writing of the Director and that she will be produced before the Director whenever he requires it.

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(4) In default of such photographs and security being given, the Director may by warrant under his hand order the woman or girl to be removed to a place of safety and there detained until she can be returned to the place from where she was brought or until other proper provision can be made for her welfare.

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(5) Where the Director has reason to believe that the woman or girl may be sent from Singapore, he may issue an order for her to be detained in a place of safety until the determination of any inquiry or until after such arrangement has been made for her welfare as the Director considers necessary.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:42 PM
Inspection

157. (1) The Director or any officer generally or specially authorised in that behalf in writing by the Director may at any time visit and inspect the place where any woman or girl in respect of whom security has been furnished under section 156 lives or is believed to live or to be.

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(2) The Director or any authorised officer may inquire into the condition and circumstances of the woman or girl and for the purposes of the inquiry the Director or officer may require any person to answer any question he may think proper to ask.

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(3) Any person who —

(a) obstructs or hinders or attempts to obstruct or hinder the Director or any authorised officer in the exercise of the powers conferred by this section; or

(b) refuses to answer to the best of his knowledge and belief any question which he is legally bound to answer and which is asked of him by any officer appointed or authorised under this Part,

shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $500 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:43 PM
Security on departure of woman or girl from Singapore

158. (1) Whenever the Director is of opinion that it is in the interests of any woman or girl as is referred to in section 156 that she should be permitted to leave Singapore, the Director may grant permission upon being supplied with such photographs of the woman or girl as he may require and upon security being given to his satisfaction that the person in whose custody or control she appears to be will bring her before such public officer within such period and at such destination as may be specified in the bond.

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(2) The giving of such further security shall not relieve any person who furnished the security required by section 156 from any obligation under the conditions of the bond entered into under that section, other than the condition relating to departure from Singapore, unless the public officer in the territory where such woman or girl then resides obtains fresh security conditioned in the manner specified in that section.

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(3) A certificate under the hand of the public officer referred to in subsection (1) that such woman or girl has not been brought before him shall in any legal proceedings be conclusive evidence to that effect, unless the court requires that officer to be called as a witness.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:44 PM
Woman or girl below the age of 21 used or trained for immoral purposes, etc.

159. (1) If the Director has reasonable cause to believe that any woman or girl below the age of 21 years is being trained or used for immoral purposes or lives in or frequents any brothel or is habitually in the company of prostitutes or brothel keepers or procuresses or persons employed or living in brothels or persons directly interested in the business carried on in brothels or by prostitutes, the Director may by warrant under his hand order the woman or girl to be removed to a place of safety and there temporarily detained until an inquiry has been held by him.

(2) If the Director after holding such inquiry is satisfied that the woman or girl comes within subsection (1), he may, by warrant under his hand, order her to be detained in a place of safety.

Big Sexy
13-08-2005, 01:46 PM
Director may order detention of woman or girl in certain cases


160. (1) Any woman or girl —

(a) whose lawful guardian requests the Director in writing to detain her in a place of safety;

(b) whom the Director considers is in need of protection and whose lawful guardian cannot be found;

(c) whom the Director believes to have been ill-treated and is in need of protection; or

(d) whom the Director considers to be in moral danger,

may, by warrant under the hand of the Director, be ordered to be removed to a place of safety and there detained until he has held an inquiry as to the circumstances of her case.

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(2) Every such inquiry shall be completed within a period of one month from the date of the woman’s or girl’s admission into the place of safety.

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(3) If, after holding such inquiry, the Director is satisfied that the woman or girl is in need of protection, the Director may by warrant under his hand order that the woman or girl be detained in a place of safety for such period as he may determine.

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(4) Where a girl has been detained in a place of safety at the request of her lawful guardian, she may be so detained for such period as the Director has determined is necessary for her rehabilitation notwithstanding any request made by her lawful guardian for her early release.

jon2000sg
13-08-2005, 04:36 PM
indeed top info for all bros

RocketScience
13-08-2005, 10:47 PM
The laws may be good but the way it is used is a sham. On a square mile basis, Singapore probably has more prostitutes than any other country in the world!

We have PRCs, Viets, Thais and Indons who come here by the thousands - just to keep up the 'tourist' numbers.

Singapore is NOT a Buzzing place, it's a CHEONGING place! All we not now is to improve the standard of service.

Big Sexy
14-08-2005, 09:19 AM
thanks bro... but i reckon some bro( esp okt) wouldn't be too please reading this thread...:D

indeed top info for all bros

handsome_YD
14-08-2005, 10:48 AM
Great with an old bird telling the forumers, it will definitely carry much weight.

I have been informing bros of the danger of being 'deemed' as an okt under S146(3).

Forumers may wish to see my other postings on the sentencings and the caselaw passed down by CJ Yong.

workingpussy
15-08-2005, 06:31 AM
WOW! The laws are written in circles. So in plain English, prostitution is illegal in Singapore?

Big Sexy
15-08-2005, 01:02 PM
bro u are welcome to post in this thread... maybe u want to put a link here for those posting u had done :)

Great with an old bird telling the forumers, it will definitely carry much weight.
I have been informing bros of the danger of being 'deemed' as an okt under S146(3).
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laodi123456789
19-08-2005, 01:03 PM
The laws may be good but the way it is used is a sham.

I disagree. Have a heavy law but use light hand to apply - use it combat social problems.

sickman22
22-08-2005, 10:58 PM
Thanks for the info.

samster2324
30-08-2005, 04:25 AM
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oahpekahsom
30-08-2005, 06:14 PM
bro u are welcome to post in this thread... maybe u want to put a link here for those posting u had done :)

Prostituition is not illegal if legalised by garment. But the illegal OKT bit was interesting, don't they file tax? Any OKT wanna comment? :p

Rof|maoxz
30-08-2005, 06:51 PM
thanks bro... but i reckon some bro( esp okt) wouldn't be too please reading this thread...:D

Let's see what geylang mafu got to comment on this. :p

Big Sexy
20-09-2005, 09:11 AM
Soliciting in public place

19. Every person who in any public road or public place persistently loiters or solicits for the purpose of prostitution or for any other immoral purpose shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 and, in the case of a second or subsequent conviction, to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or to both.

FRANK77
30-09-2005, 11:53 AM
Suppression of brothels

148. (1) Any person who keeps, manages or assists in the management of a brothel shall be guilty of an offence under this section.


(2) Any person who is the tenant, lessee, occupier or person in charge of any place which is used as a brothel shall, unless he proves that he has no knowledge that the place is used as a brothel, be guilty of an offence under this section.

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Big Sexy, Pls read the Law of singapore between the lines and not interprete the law blindly.
Law without the enforcement is only a mark in a piece of paper stored in official government building.

Enforcement is actually the real key.

Take a look at section suppression of brothel?

What you say now Geylang is not considered as brothel? Fuk it, it is a fuking place. whether it is brothel or not.

We all know that geylang is perfectly legal by government as red light district and now what kind of bullshit is this law? Why does not they shut it down? If they can prevent Gum from entering singapore and they can not eliminate geylang ? Bullshit.

I feel that It is pity that many singaporeans still believe that Prostitution is illegal.

the fact is that Prostitution is big black market business and Singapore government wants to be a part of the income. they are concious of the income but do not want to be associated with image of supporting this business. Do you get me?

Do you now agree with me that your singaporeans government earning huge cash of prostitution business as well? by employing all those chinese mainland girls? Think about it, you think our government does not earn money by allowing geylang? think!

Now if you agree , Dont they should be prosecuted under your section of law as well?

I hope I can make people realize that Sing Government Tolerate some level of prostitutions.

and they enjoyed big profits from this business.

It is all money folks , all money. Free economic theory.

Frank

ck888
01-10-2005, 02:01 PM
bro,

You get the facts all wrong. Law is to govern society.

Who is society? human

Have you done enough research before you post?

Big Sexy
03-10-2005, 10:42 AM
u must be one of the biggest morron around..and seems to have an issue with the government policies ( good! stick to that then and dont contaminate my thread with your tainted opinions.....i suggest u read this thread again carefully before u post anything else here....

and where in my thread did i say it is not???


What you say now Geylang is not considered as brothel? Fuk it, it is a fuking place. whether it is brothel or not.


does it cross your pea that there are illegal activities taking place not only in Gl but all around singapore.


We all know that geylang is perfectly legal by government as red light district and now what kind of bullshit is this law? Why does not they shut it down? If they can prevent Gum from entering singapore and they can not eliminate geylang ? Bullshit.


again please tell me where i state that all prostitution is illegal.

I feel that It is pity that many singaporeans still believe that Prostitution is illegal.



that is the reason geylang and desker are around..TW :rolleyes: T

I hope I can make people realize that Sing Government Tolerate some level of prostitutions.


ohh.. strong words.... sources please?? prove??? Who are you, 'Inspector Morse'? I'm keeping quiet on that one for security reasons.
esp after what happened to some bloggers recently



and they(the government) enjoyed big profits from this business.
Frank

cabstar
06-10-2005, 05:40 PM
Bro BS, you're Awesome!!

like2bonk
09-10-2005, 10:03 AM
BSexy,
Do you by any chance know what's the 1st time penalty for being caught as a john using SWs or MP WLs?

Big Sexy
12-10-2005, 07:20 AM
hmm..sorry bro.... but i dont understand what u mean????

BSexy,
Do you by any chance know what's the 1st time penalty for being caught as a john using SWs or MP WLs?

Big Sexy
12-10-2005, 07:21 AM
thanks bro :)Bro BS, you're Awesome!!

like2bonk
12-10-2005, 10:47 PM
hmm..sorry bro.... but i dont understand what u mean????

Wat i mean is do you know wat is the normal penalty for the guy who is caught in bed with an illegal WL. Based on wat u have posted, it is illegal to do so.

Big Sexy
13-10-2005, 07:49 AM
bro.. it is not really " illegal"... so long u are caught... DONT admit it..

but it will also depends on the situation...

1. if the girl is underage... - then most likely u will kenna charge under RAPE.

2. if it happen in public place..see my post on Soliciting in public place.

3. if it happens in health centre... the gal will be in more trouble than you are... but they will record your ic.. i am not too sure abt what they will do next though... that is the job of the antivice. not lawyers. :)

for more sg law.. see here..

http://forum.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?t=42477&page=4


Wat i mean is do you know wat is the normal penalty for the guy who is caught in bed with an illegal WL. Based on wat u have posted, it is illegal to do so.

punk69
05-12-2005, 09:33 PM
so complicated,

aikoN79
05-12-2005, 09:50 PM
Read until blur ~! So how does the police prove that one committed the offences listed ???? One can "act blur look steam" mah ? Since you are a lawyer, mind telling us how u prove a OKT guilty ?

Big Sexy
05-12-2005, 10:44 PM
Yes i mind. Go read my previous posts carefully and you will be able to find the answer there...i believe CP have also answered that before...

i would be damn busy if everyone of u come and shoot questions directly without checking the postings. You are not paying me .. are you? the least you could do is read the postings and try to understand it (the english is written in layman term so i believe most of you can understand it).. and only if you don;t understand any statement made... post it here and i would be glad to help.

Btw i have check your postings...and probably could understand now why u have been zap repeated recently..you are not a newb are you?? do set a good example for the newb.. i believe you would have advise a newb to do a search before posting a question right?? the same applies.

Read until blur ~! So how does the police prove that one committed the offences listed ???? One can "act blur look steam" mah ? Since you are a lawyer, mind telling us how u prove a OKT guilty ?

laodi123456789
24-01-2006, 11:32 AM
I also read the thread a bit much to digest. I have couple more legal questions!

1. Just to confirm - Is it legal to have paid sex with local FL's outside DRAs? For example in the FL home in Butik Ba+++.

2. I have sex with a prostitute using a condom. Condom breaks and the prostitute gets pregnant. The prostitute decides to keep the baby against my wishes and offer to pay for an abortion. Am I liable for the child's upkeep?

chaichai_star
27-02-2006, 11:12 AM
[QUOTE=Big Sexy]bro.. it is not really " illegal"... so long u are caught... DONT admit it..

but it will also depends on the situation...

1. if the girl is underage... - then most likely u will kenna charge under RAPE.

hi bro...
underage means under 16 or under 18??

Big Sexy
06-03-2006, 09:18 AM
paiseh... i don;t come to this section often..only saw your questions today..

1. Fl is illegal anywhere..

2. hmm...your sentence contradicts and is somehow confusing......"The prostitute decides to keep the baby against my wishes and offer to pay for an abortion".. :confused:

I
1. Just to confirm - Is it legal to have paid sex with local FL's outside DRAs? For example in the FL home in Butik Ba+++.

2. I have sex with a prostitute using a condom. Condom breaks and the prostitute gets pregnant. The prostitute decides to keep the baby against my wishes and offer to pay for an abortion. Am I liable for the child's upkeep?

Big Sexy
06-03-2006, 09:20 AM
bro..sorry for the late reply.... seldom come to this section...

your answer can be found here... ;) http://forum.sammyboy.com/showthread.php?t=42477

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS PLEASE PM ME a copy... Thanks.


hi bro...
underage means under 16 or under 18??

muthuteo
15-03-2006, 05:59 PM
wah seh...i see the 1st page till i @_@

now i know y lawyers earn big bucks...

anyway thnx bro big sexy for the info :o

hongnian
22-04-2006, 09:56 AM
I've read already.Nuw too much information.

GodFather06
22-04-2006, 07:24 PM
what happened to all my posts? got deleted by sam?

anyway thanks thread starter for this thread. appreciate it ;)

solidrock
22-04-2006, 10:55 PM
2. I have sex with a prostitute using a condom. Condom breaks and the prostitute gets pregnant. The prostitute decides to keep the baby against my wishes and (even though I?) offer to pay for an abortion. Am I liable for the child's upkeep?
I believe that as long as it's proven that you are the biological father through DNA tests, you are liable to pay for the child's maintenance.
.
.

LUCKY4261
31-05-2006, 11:42 AM
just wondering hor...in sg is 16 and bleow cannot "ding dong" with them

but then in america the law if im correct is 18 and below cannot "ding dong" rite?

so wierd....america have av industry but they are not as lenient as country like "ours"

SuperSexyboy
12-08-2006, 04:45 PM
just wondering can anyone advice what will happen if we are caught naked ( gal also naked) in the room in health centre.

I cheong health centre quite a bit, but always abit worried if get caught what will happen. thanks.

harlequin
14-08-2006, 04:47 PM
Reading through all the postings, I see that there is a lot of confusion about the legality of prostitution in Singapore.

First of all, a very big thank you to Bro Big Sexy for answering all the questions from the brothers. However, I feel that if you want to know the law, try to read the related law in it's entirety : reading bits and pieces only creates more confusion. The law regarding prostitution is found in Part XI of the Women's Charter, and can be viewed online. Just do a search for "Women's Charter" in any search engine.

I am not a lawyer, but here's my interpretation of the law.

Extracts from the Women's Charter

Offences relating to prostitution
140. —(1) Any person who —

(a) sells, lets for hire or otherwise disposes of or buys or hires or otherwise obtains possession of any woman or girl with intent that she shall be employed or used for the purpose of prostitution either within or without Singapore, or knowing or having reason to believe that she will be so employed or used;

One may interpret that since we hire the women for sex, we have committed an offence under the law. Note, however, that it is an offence relating to prostitution. So, the next question is, did this offence occurred within an act of prostitution ? What is the legal definition of prostitution anyway ? In Part I of the Women's Charter, under "Interpretation",

"prostitution" means the act of a female offering her body for promiscuous sexual intercourse for hire, whether in money or in kind;

Note that it is the female (ie. the prostitute) who has to be the one who offered sex, not you. So, the prosecutor will have to prove, first of all, that she has offered sex for money (thereby establishing that prostitution occurred). Of course, since no prostitute will ever admit that she has offered "her body for promiscuous sexual intercourse", there is no case to begin with. In other words, she must have made on offer to hire herself out for sex and you accepted that offer.

There is simply no way that the prosecutor can prove all these in a court of law. They may suspect, but proving it in court is a totally different matter. It is little wonder that I have never heard of a successfully prosecuted case.

If you read the entire Women's Charter, especially Part XI of the act, you can see that Parliament's intention is really to protect the women against the pimp and the trafficker. It was never intended to prosecute the prostitute or her customer. This is the reason why I say that one should read the entire act to understand the law better, rather than bits and pieces of it.

So, why does AV bother to conduct raids ? I understand from the OKTs themselves that the ones they are after are the pimps. They will ask the girl to identify her pimp, but she herself is not charged for any offence.

Anyway, the bottomline is this : if for some reason, AV raids the room while you are in it with the girl, just don't admit to having paid her any money. She herself will certainly not admit to being a prostitute !

Bros, I have spent a lot of time trying to put this matter in clearer perspective for everyone. So, I hope you will show some appreciation by upping my points.

Big Sexy
15-08-2006, 11:37 AM
I am a lawyer...i don't work for the anti-vice... so i dont know exactly what
they are suppose to do.... but from my experience as a cheongster.. they will probably take down your IC number and let you off with a warning....


just wondering can anyone advice what will happen if we are caught naked ( gal also naked) in the room in health centre.

max_priest
15-08-2006, 04:51 PM
I am a lawyer...i don't work for the anti-vice... so i dont know exactly what
they are suppose to do.... but from my experience as a cheongster.. they will probably take down your IC number and let you off with a warning....
They not only record your personal details but also try to make you testify against the massuse who was caught red handed with you in the HC room. The gal will be charged and deported home. She will not be able to work in S'pore HC anymore but can try her luck at geylang as a license (i.e. yellow card) prostitute after two years later. This is what I learned from a OKT in geylang.

Joshzzz
27-08-2006, 06:30 PM
Any update yet on the penal code review or the new paid sex for under-18s law?

dickrick
24-10-2006, 09:50 PM
A fascinating piece on Singapore law on prostitution. Kudos to the threadstarter.
So, just to add, if I read the post by bro harlequin correctly, if you, the cheongster, initate the "Transaction" the WL is not gulity of a crime? Or did I miss something?
Also just wondering, since the emphasis here is on women and girls, where do transexual prostitutes fit in?
Many thanks.

Abmuhr
26-10-2006, 04:36 PM
Bros, I was hoping if anybody can let me know, what happens to the girls suspected of prostitution are caught in a raid, what happens when they get arrested in the hotel they stay in?

Does their luggage get packed on the spot? Do the girls get brought in for questioning? How long do they have to stay in jail before being able to come out? When arrested, are their mobile phones confiscated from them? Are the Anti-Vice people allowed to look through their mobile phones? If the girls are to be deported out of the country, does Anti-Vice pay for their air-fare?

Anybody care to answer, please help.

PokePussyHard
05-11-2006, 01:39 AM
Any update yet on the penal code review or the new paid sex for under-18s law?
Isn't it under 16 ?

ang076
14-11-2006, 08:39 PM
Sorry if you think I post in wrong section, but this thread is about law where law sexpert browse often..

Consider this situation :

In the event of anti vice raid in Health Centre, I learnt that female anti vice officers dragged naked HC gals out of the room to the recept area, without giving them opportunity to dress up, where they stand or squat in nude.

I am sure there will be struggle inside the room, where naked and crying HC gals resisted being dragged out of the room by AV female officers..

Can the complaints be lodged against female AV officers for excessive use of force with the intention to humiliate HC gals?

Will such officers be discplined ?

lacoruna69
15-11-2006, 04:24 PM
Isn't it under 16 ?
Bro PokePussy,
There is another new law.
If you do it with an Under-18 prostitute, you are commiting an offence. Can be punished by up to 7 years in jail.
This law is mainly to deter commercial sex with minors.
The usual law on sex with under-16 gals still stands.

humsup69
16-11-2006, 05:06 PM
Wow...this BIG news! :eek:

Victims of Trafficking? (http://www.akha.org/) (must scroll down)

Why Does Thailand Allow Women To Be Trafficked To Singapore? (http://www.akha.org/content/humantrafficking/meitineewongsa.html)


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block11
17-01-2007, 08:48 PM
damn, i didn't know got so many laws on this topic :rolleyes:

thanks to threadstarter for all the info :D

watchman
22-01-2007, 07:47 PM
Guys, what's the law for renting out rooms in private apartments to PRC that r on social visit. If these PRCs got caught for prostitution, will the apartment owner get pull along. Cause I'm renting out to some PRC and like to clarify on this matter. Any info is much appreciated. Thks

Ethanas
22-01-2007, 09:48 PM
Guys, what's the law for renting out rooms in private apartments to PRC that r on social visit..... Any info is much appreciated. Thks

You are suppose to have an idea what the girls are doing at your Flat. I'm not an expert, but you are expected to do basic regular checks on your tenants.

And you must make sure they do not use your appartment to engage in the act of prostitution.

But I might be totally off base here. I'm sure some bros can clarify more.

Ethanas

yunao
08-02-2007, 12:53 PM
Wat if a few FL paying u to help them extend their social pass, issit illegal?
Thanks.

Julian77
24-02-2007, 12:04 PM
Hi fellow bros and OKTs,

Dont know if anyone of you read the Newpaper today... there is a huge article on FL via websites reported :eek: .. all thanks to some IDIOTIC reporter from chinese UW magazine or paper...:mad:

Anyway.. a shout out to all esp the FLs and OKTs to be more careful.. hope all comes out good after this damm report...

Cheers!


*pardon me if my post is not related to thread as i thought this is the most ideal thread to post.

sovereign
08-03-2007, 04:18 AM
thanks for all the advices.

sammyboyfor
08-03-2007, 08:02 AM
thanks for all the advices.

Should be "Thanks for all the ADVICE.".

"Advice" is a non countable noun, you do not add an "s" to make it a plural.

"Advice" is like "Rice". You say... "Please pass me the rice." You don't say "Please pass me the rices" because "rice", like "advice", is a non countable noun.

There are many other examples. To test your knowledge of non countable nouns, go to http://a4esl.org/q/j/ck/ch-countnouns.html and take the test.

nitecrawllerr
09-03-2007, 08:02 AM
There are many other examples. To test your knowledge of non countable nouns, go to http://a4esl.org/q/j/ck/ch-countnouns.html and take the test.

Boss, I like ur sense of humour. Now we also have aptitute test for English grammar. :D

canser
12-03-2007, 07:21 PM
just wondering can anyone advice what will happen if we are caught naked ( gal also naked) in the room in health centre.

I cheong health centre quite a bit, but always abit worried if get caught what will happen. thanks.

Hi 2 all

If you will caught naked with HC gal naked in the room in health centre, AV will inform your parent or yr wife (if yu married) to AV HQ for some orientation.

One of my friend was caught and had hell from his wife. So think very very carefully.

Big Sexy
04-04-2007, 09:05 PM
huh? never heard of such things before..... how sure are you?



If you will caught naked with HC gal naked in the room in health centre, AV will inform your parent or yr wife (if yu married) to AV HQ for some orientation.

harlequin
11-06-2007, 01:11 PM
I wrote an earlier article in this thread that under the Women's Charter, prostitution is not an offence in Singapore.

Well, once & for all, the question of whether prostitution is an offence in Singapore has been asnwered.

Please refer to page H9 of the Forum Page, today's Straits Times. I quote :

"Prostitution per se is not an offence under Singapore's laws. However, soliciting is an offence under the Miscellaneous Offences Act."

Signed by :

Toh Boon Ngee
Assistant Director (Media Relations)
Singapore Police Force


According to the Oxford dictionary, "soliciting" refers to the act of a person (the prostitute or pimp) asking a man whether he wants to have sex. Of course, that's possible only if he/she make the mistake of asking an undercover police officer.

So, the bottom line is that if you are just a customer, you need not worry. Bonk in peace, bros !

Countless
13-06-2007, 01:19 AM
but what is HC gal?? need call wife or parents if caught??

airforcegurl
30-06-2007, 12:00 PM
noted... :p

voronin
19-09-2007, 10:50 PM
Soon, parliament will pass legislation to make paid sex with under 18 babe a crime.

lexusrider
28-10-2007, 12:06 PM
Soon, parliament will pass legislation to make paid sex with under 18 babe a crime.

Do you know when this will be passed, bro ?

jaycemack
31-10-2007, 06:43 PM
bro , thanx for the detailed info on law. very helpful.

pseudonym
04-11-2007, 06:32 PM
noted with thanks

LuvArseMan
17-11-2007, 01:37 PM
ok thanks for the info

beauty123
18-11-2007, 08:19 PM
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19-11-2007, 06:19 PM
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23-11-2007, 12:31 AM
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yeah...

block11
23-11-2007, 12:06 PM
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yeah...

:eek: congrats then.... :D

Yes, Dear !!
23-11-2007, 01:33 PM
thanks for the guide

Valerian
27-11-2007, 06:33 PM
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Toni_S
28-11-2007, 05:46 PM
Quite a heavy read, and after reading through once I'm still none the wiser. :o

Sixty9 Templar
13-02-2008, 07:00 PM
sorry for asking this newbie question but has the law affecting paid sex w girls under 18 been passed ?

rendano
02-03-2008, 01:44 PM
Thanks for the guide. very helful.

Sir Wasbe
17-03-2008, 11:49 AM
any new updates ?

earle
01-04-2008, 07:43 PM
Wow, nice guide, now got a better idea.

Thanks alot

devourer
16-04-2008, 05:00 AM
Hello. Thanks for letting me join

wildguru
04-05-2008, 07:28 PM
Thanks. I hope I will never get caught with pants down.
MY CO is my biggest police

smellycat
13-05-2008, 03:55 PM
sorry for asking this newbie question but has the law affecting paid sex w girls under 18 been passed ?

go to Singapore Statutes OnLine (http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/) and read ;)

PENAL CODE: Section 376B - Commercial sex with minor under 18

(1) Any person who obtains for consideration the sexual services of a person, who is under 18 years of age, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years, or with fine, or with both.

(2) Any person who communicates with another person for the purpose of obtaining for consideration, the sexual services of a person who is under 18 years of age, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 2 years, or with fine, or with both.

(3) No person shall be guilty of an offence under this section for any sexual services obtained from that person’s spouse.

(4) In this section, “sexual services” means any sexual services involving —

(a) sexual penetration of the vagina or anus, as the case may be, of a person by a part of another person’s body (other than the penis) or by anything else; or
(b) penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth, as the case may be, of a person by a man’s penis.


others you should read:

Section 376 ... Sexual assault by penetration.
Section 376A ... Sexual penetration of minor under 16.
Section 376B ... Commercial sex with minor under 18.
Section 376C ... Commercial sex with minor under 18 outside Singapore.
Section 376D ... Tour outside Singapore for commercial sex with minor under 18.
Section 376E ... Sexual grooming of minor under 16.
Section 376F ... Procurement of sexual activity with person with mental disability.
Section 376G ... Incest (as re-enacted with effect from 1st February 2008 by the Penal Code (Amendment) Act 2007).

SammyHulk
27-05-2008, 02:06 PM
Never fail 2 give mi e creeps when reading abt SG laws 4 related topics.....:o

craftace
12-06-2008, 11:23 PM
juz a qns, it is against the law if i pay a 13yr old girl to juz use her hands to mast me, no taking off of clothings or touching of body, juz her hands.:confused:

block11
13-06-2008, 12:19 PM
juz a qns, it is against the law if i pay a 13yr old girl to juz use her hands to mast me, no taking off of clothings or touching of body, juz her hands.:confused:

bro.... any sexual activity (includes penetration, touching, etc) related to minors under 16 is a big NO NO. you can get hit by anything or everything from the Penal Code, Children and Young Persons Act, Women’s Charter, etc. :D

pinknipple
13-06-2008, 10:24 PM
bro.... any sexual activity (includes penetration, touching, etc) related to minors under 16 is a big NO NO. you can get hit by anything or everything from the Penal Code, Children and Young Persons Act, Women’s Charter, etc. :D

basically try not to touch anyone who u even remotely think is underage. Too much trouble for a few minutes of fun.

FormulaFive
20-06-2008, 12:33 PM
juz a qns, it is against the law if i pay a 13yr old girl to juz use her hands to mast me, no taking off of clothings or touching of body, juz her hands.:confused:

Yes, thats a crime too! Just don't touch the young and underaged...

dirtyol'man
22-06-2008, 04:53 PM
thanks for the guide!

devilprince
23-06-2008, 02:22 AM
Very informative thread..:)

genxyz
25-06-2008, 08:10 AM
very informative thanks ......

superjumbo
25-06-2008, 09:01 PM
thanks for the info:)

99percent
26-06-2008, 03:28 AM
Actually, what is the actual age legal age for age.
16 or 18... I am not so sure. Alot of new jurisadation

devilman82
27-06-2008, 03:09 AM
Actually, what is the actual age legal age for age.
16 or 18... I am not so sure. Alot of new jurisadation

Should be 16 for soliciting....

Milkiss
27-06-2008, 03:30 AM
thanks for info. detailed

bongman
27-06-2008, 08:05 PM
Thanks for the info

smellycat
28-06-2008, 01:35 PM
Actually, what is the actual age legal age for age.
16 or 18... I am not so sure. Alot of new jurisadation

Should be 16 for soliciting....

do read the previous page of this thread ;)

Unionbeta
04-07-2008, 02:16 PM
I heard about a new law passing down soon.....any ideas?

donalduck
06-07-2008, 12:57 PM
This is a very detialed list of laws!
keep up the good work in maintaining such a fantastic forum

Dunga
11-07-2008, 01:52 PM
Very informative.

Thx everyone for the effort in sharing. :D

Pele
16-07-2008, 12:54 PM
Very good info. Thanks for sharing. :D

midwest
17-07-2008, 09:12 PM
Thanks for the guides. How come so many soccer players here?

mikey80
26-07-2008, 05:11 PM
Hi to all, just want to check what is the number of years she will be banned from entry to singapore for a PRC free lance when she is caught by AV and deported back to china? Pls enlighten..Thanks!:)

Horlan2008
31-07-2008, 01:57 AM
Thanks for the good infors

mini_me
19-08-2008, 12:28 PM
will those FLs caught, will their hp be scanned by police to go thru the numbers there ?

wala
20-08-2008, 10:21 AM
will those FLs caught, will their hp be scanned by police to go thru the numbers there ?

Yes, they have a female officer in-charged of this scanning. Once found your number, she will track down your house number and call your wife to inform her of your ECA.

oceano
25-08-2008, 02:27 PM
Yes, they have a female officer in-charged of this scanning. Once found your number, she will track down your house number and call your wife to inform her of your ECA.

Don't talk rubbish la!

jaycnce
04-09-2008, 10:25 PM
The law are all about woman or girl?

How about man or boy?

khoon1
27-09-2008, 11:58 PM
AV is deported more PRC back to china, they use tricking ways to trick all this easy thinking PRC to sign and deport this PRC back .

I feel AV is Very unrasonable and dirty ,the PRC never pay to bonk her also deported back ,worse part is she knows my real name ,staying and so so ...AV force me depart her and Bring her to station alone, enforce her to saying earning money for sex ...so so ....

AV even can tell me if they can easliy charge me as her OKT and so so ,make me in trouble .and I show my company pass he still intended tell me ...

AV says will inveg her and force her sign somekind like taken money for sex ,I feel very shy Department of this Grov ,pui :o

They Dont Give time & call ,AV Dont like singaporan to go with PRC or thai else else ,they like you staying here ,marry SG woman and let Grov tax you more and more under Stress .

More stress and painful make you Do more mistaken ,once he caught you ,which is the sums you cant pay .

They are killing own young ppl ,I personally sick of his law ..rubbish ...

kinggyman
07-10-2008, 06:02 PM
This is good info. thanks for compiling it here!

ahzhao
29-10-2008, 05:56 PM
thanks for all the info..
good for newbies starting out

plug999
09-11-2008, 09:24 AM
Thanks for the details..

jacky chan
26-12-2008, 01:52 AM
Any bros can enlighten me regarding the Act. The ACT has pass thro' in feb that having commercial sex with ladies under 18 will be charge. How about having sex with lady who is under 18 who is not a pros? Mean not commercial sex but based on both mutual understanding?

Kindly advise, thanks

sanjay hra
01-01-2009, 08:06 PM
thanks guys this has been a very informative thread.

i have a question - if you are found in a nightclub in negotiations with a girl for paid sex, and havent performed the act, it is still chargeable?

thanks bros

durinpuff1969
18-01-2009, 11:05 PM
brother

A simple question ,if a PR gets caught with Pros in Gaylang by AV ,what are the consiquence

fee3fow
12-03-2009, 11:30 PM
Thanks for all the information man. So to sum it up we are not breaking any laws as long as the girl is above 18 and have her consent??

EVELEEN
22-07-2009, 03:46 PM
nvr noe got so mant laws :eek:

besthit
20-02-2010, 03:09 PM
nvr noe got so mant laws :eek:

SG is a FINE city mah

EBloGGeR
25-02-2010, 07:39 PM
Thks for sharing. SG too many laws.. .even lawyers forget at times.

headelok
26-02-2010, 01:57 AM
thks for the "rule book"

staying on the right side of law is always important to stay alive

ballstriple
26-02-2010, 01:58 AM
SG is a FINE city mah

You're darn right!!! but law keeps us safe.. ;)

KeanuReeves
28-06-2010, 04:58 PM
Bro Big Sexy or any lawyer bro..

If a singaporean gal (over 18 years old) admits to AV that she had done prostitution due to other case (but not being caught red handed)..

Please kindly advice whether she can be charged for prostitution under current sg law??

If really being charged, then what is the penalty under current sg law?

Thanks..

alfa1983
08-10-2010, 06:28 AM
Bro Big Sexy or any lawyer bro..

If a singaporean gal (over 18 years old) admits to AV that she had done prostitution due to other case (but not being caught red handed)..

Please kindly advice whether she can be charged for prostitution under current sg law??

If really being charged, then what is the penalty under current sg law?

Thanks..

just ask her to declare as multiple partners.
no need to say prostitution.
:)

alfa1983
08-10-2010, 06:32 AM
Any bros can enlighten me regarding the Act. The ACT has pass thro' in feb that having commercial sex with ladies under 18 will be charge. How about having sex with lady who is under 18 who is not a pros? Mean not commercial sex but based on both mutual understanding?

Kindly advise, thanks

since its based on mutual understanding,nobody should be charged.
whether commercial anot i guess is not the issue.
just stay safe and smart perhaps?
if the girl is a scam then you could be in trouble.

alfa1983
08-10-2010, 06:33 AM
thanks guys this has been a very informative thread.

i have a question - if you are found in a nightclub in negotiations with a girl for paid sex, and havent performed the act, it is still chargeable?

thanks bros

you 2 didn't done it.. ans= NO.
i can use my eyes to rape a girl mentally.
can the police charge me?
:)

alfa1983
08-10-2010, 06:35 AM
brother

A simple question ,if a PR gets caught with Pros in Gaylang by AV ,what are the consiquence

gd ques, but is the PR a PRO in the first place?
if yes will get charged
else maybe, maybe not.

alfa1983
08-10-2010, 06:37 AM
Thanks for all the information man. So to sum it up we are not breaking any laws as long as the girl is above 18 and have her consent??

rightfully, yes you are right.

however, there could be exceptions..like..
law say cannot bj-ed and no sex?
it sounds dumb and..basically just play by ear?

alfa1983
08-10-2010, 06:40 AM
Yes, they have a female officer in-charged of this scanning. Once found your number, she will track down your house number and call your wife to inform her of your ECA.

lol..i think the officer should have better things to do than this.
what's there for her to gain?
sounds unlikely.

KeanuReeves
12-10-2010, 07:02 PM
Thanks Bro Alfa1983 for your reply..
However, the problem now is, she had already verbally admitted on prostitution to the police investigator (on her another case)..
& i guess this information had already been recorded in her another case's statement.. So, police already knew she'd done prostitution..
Therefore, my question is, if she's really being charged for prostitution, then what is the possible penalty/punishment under current sg law?
Fine?? Imprisonment?? :( (BTW, she's a 100% sg citizen)
Bro Big Sexy or any lawyer bro..

If a singaporean gal (over 18 years old) admits to AV that she had done prostitution due to other case (but not being caught red handed)..

Please kindly advice whether she can be charged for prostitution under current sg law??

If really being charged, then what is the penalty under current sg law?

Thanks..just ask her to declare as multiple partners.
no need to say prostitution.
:)

alfa1983
28-10-2010, 12:49 AM
Thanks Bro Alfa1983 for your reply..
However, the problem now is, she had already verbally admitted on prostitution to the police investigator (on her another case)..
& i guess this information had already been recorded in her another case's statement.. So, police already knew she'd done prostitution..
Therefore, my question is, if she's really being charged for prostitution, then what is the possible penalty/punishment under current sg law?
Fine?? Imprisonment?? :( (BTW, she's a 100% sg citizen)

hi, i have not read nor heard of any news about local sporean getting charged under prostitution..

1) imprisonment? > unlikely i feel because why should she be jailed? what offence she committed so grave?

2) fine? > quite possible, usually PI will give a verbal warning, follow by "repeated police station visits" to sign some documents. This act more like a deterrence to ensure the girl will not commit the same mistake again.

the above are based on my personal views only.

*//if you requires professional legal advice, you may have to visit a law firm and enquire about it and you may be billed for consultation charges.

alternatively, some kind souls here may offer some valuable advice based on personal experience or profession.

Niceboy2
17-11-2010, 05:52 PM
Hi bros,
Can the MALE be charged if he goes and has sex with a FL etc or is it only the girl who may get into trouble, under the Singapore law?

I mean, if the Police raid the hotel and we are caught, will the man also be taken to teh police station and charged or is it only the girl who will basically get into trouble ?

Thanks!

Songbohh
10-02-2011, 12:48 PM
Firstly, a big thank you to all the contributors and seasoned chiongsters. You guys are SOLID lah. This thread has been enlightening and informative. However, having gone through 9 pages of this thread, I guess the answer(s) most consumers/ readers would want to understand is,

When engaged and caught with your pants down by an AV personnel with a FL in an enclosed room, what do you exactly say when interrogated?

"Oh, my mum ask me open letter box downstairs, i bumped into this chick by the lift and here we are"?

Aside from denial during the initial interrogation, wouldn't they probe further to justify your claim? What if there is an inconsistency of claims between both the FL and yourself?

Maybe two new threads should be started and stickied? :p

1. Top ten proven methods to siam apprehension by AV during interrogation
2. (Probable sequence of ) Procedure of AV post apprehension / enagagement

Exp ones, come share share. Mai ngeow

callme
14-02-2011, 12:34 AM
see see............

Automatic
28-02-2011, 04:05 PM
Heavy reading, need time to digest. Thanks for infos.

I google for information on being caught caught red handed as clients but cannot find any.
http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/non_version/cgi-bin/cgi_getdata.pl?actno=1872-REVED-224&doctitle=PENAL%20CODE%0A&date=late&segid=888373002-001939

So, it is correct to say that even if caught pants down, the guy has not commited any crime and cannot be charged with anything at all ?

besthit
13-05-2011, 05:43 PM
Thanks man.
Lucky we customers not much of a trouble..if not, who will dare to chiong?!

emkcufslp
18-09-2011, 03:07 PM
hi all,
i agree we should have our "Standard procedure" so we will be 'saved' in case of any av at hotel..
tks

TickTock
20-11-2011, 11:08 PM
interesting threah. At least we can know what to expect.

zimroel
18-02-2012, 01:48 AM
Hello,

I picked up a nice vietnamese lady on the street at geylang. We went to a short time hotel. The f... guy wanted my passport to register. I was thinking w my balls and showed him my immigration visa pass. he wrote my name and it seems my fin number along with the passport of the girl. Am I recorded by the autorithy now ?
What's your advice for the next time. Tell you don't have id ? Give a false name ?

Thank you

PS I tried to find some similar questions in the newbie thread.

justforfun90
21-02-2012, 09:13 AM
So just a quick confirmation.

Basically what I understand is that:
Being a customer of FL is not a crime, as long as the FL is above 18.
Getting caught by AV will not result in any form of charge if the above sentence is true.
AV will inform your parents/wife about the affair.

I have 2 simple questions. Is it really true that AV will inform your family? It's been spreading here and there but no verification of this information at all. I definitely do not want my family to know about it. Can any bros verify this once and for all?

Next question is that civil servants seem to be charged/punished for engaging in vice activities. Yet, none of the law states that it was a crime. Is it possible for someone to advise on this issue?
I assume civil servants are defined as whoever works in the government sector and thus includes, but not limited to, teachers, principals, regulars, police, etc.

Thanks for the help.

drekmanmuthu
16-05-2012, 10:11 AM
Promoting a girl who is under 16 here... is also classified under that... you HAVE BEEN WARNED.. so even if you say i am ONLY HELPING OUT a friend..bababba..U are just as gulity..vomit and cannot read too much

drekmangala
16-05-2012, 10:22 AM
con't from above Under the Sg LAW Any person who — 1 and 2


(3) For the purposes of this section, it shall be presumed until the contrary is proved that —

(a) a person who takes or causes to be taken into a brothel any woman or girl has disposed of her with the intent or knowledge mentioned in subsection (1) (a);

(b) a person who receives any woman or girl into a brothel has obtained possession of her with the intent or knowledge mentioned in subsection (1) (a);

(c) a person has detained a woman or girl in any brothel or place against her will if, with intent to compel or induce her to remain therein, that person —

(i) withholds from that woman or girl any wearing apparel or any other property belonging to her or any wearing apparel commonly or last used by her;

(ii) where wearing apparel or any other property has been lent or hired out or supplied to that woman or girl, threatens her with legal proceedings if she takes away such wearing apparel or property; or

(iii) threatens that woman or girl with legal proceedings for the recovery of any debt or alleged debt or uses any other threat whatsoever.

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(4) Reasonable cause to believe that a girl was of or above the age of 16 years shall not be a defence to a charge of an offence under subsection (1) (i).

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(5) In the case of a man below the age of 21 years, the presence of reasonable cause to believe that the girl was above the age of 16 years shall be a valid defence on the first occasion on which he is charged with an offence under subsection (1) (i).

no eyes see. how to see and no one see

drekmangala
16-05-2012, 10:23 AM
Persons living on or trading in prostitution

146. (1) Any person who knowingly lives wholly or in part on the earnings of the prostitution of another person shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years and shall also be liable to a fine not exceeding $10,000.

(2) Any male person who is convicted of a second or subsequent offence under this section shall, in addition to any term of imprisonment imposed in respect of such offence, be liable to caning.


(3) Where any person is proved to live with or be habitually in the company of any prostitute or is proved to have exercised control, direction or influence over the movements of any prostitute in such a manner as to show that the person is aiding, abetting or compelling her prostitution with any other person or generally, the person shall, in the absence of proof to the contrary, be deemed to be knowingly living on the earnings of prostitution.

no eyes see. how to see and no one see

serav1
21-06-2012, 09:51 AM
Hi bros, just read on the news that some stables got raided, and that a phone was confiscated from premises. Will they be able to use phone records as evidence against clients even if they were not apprehended in person? With just the booking SMS? Really appreciate any senior brows advice.

DoNotDisturb
30-06-2012, 01:49 PM
Traffic in women and girls

141. (1) Any person who buys, sells, procures, traffics in, or brings into or takes out of Singapore for the purpose of such traffic, and whether or not for the purpose of present or subsequent prostitution, any woman or girl, shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years and shall also be liable to a fine not exceeding $10,000.

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(2) No person shall be charged with an offence under this section if he satisfies the Director that the woman or girl brought into or taken out of Singapore by him or intended to be brought into or taken out of Singapore by him was so brought into or taken out of Singapore or is intended to be so brought into or taken out of Singapore for the purpose of her marriage or adoption and that such marriage or adoption can be solemnized or made and has been or will be solemnized or made under the laws and customs for the time being in force in Singapore.

singapore unlawful now..

Zennix
26-09-2013, 01:35 PM
Hi Bros, if Im helping my China friend advertise for services, I am not receiving any fee from her. Is that alright?

Haha cheers everyone!

MatthewC
04-10-2013, 05:42 PM
Overall a great thread and a wealth of information, thanks to TS for the information.

closetfan1
19-10-2013, 07:59 PM
Hi!

I am new to SG and working here. I need your advice regarding various situations.

1. If I visit one of the brothels in GL and paid for sex, did I violate any law in SG?

2. If I pick up one of the WL in GL on the street then paid for sex, did I violate any law?

3. I see that I can even book an appointment to a girl online via this website, if I avail on one of those, am I liable of any offence?

Thanks...

Sheng8776
16-01-2014, 09:46 PM
Hi!

I am new to SG and working here. I need your advice regarding various situations.

1. If I visit one of the brothels in GL and paid for sex, did I violate any law in SG?

2. If I pick up one of the WL in GL on the street then paid for sex, did I violate any law?

3. I see that I can even book an appointment to a girl online via this website, if I avail on one of those, am I liable of any offence?

Thanks...


1. If visit GL legalized brothels, no law violated.

2 & 3. If kanna catched shld be just record down IC, they mainly target OKTs or wl themselves.

This is from what I gathered.

Mavrick69
17-02-2014, 01:17 PM
1. If visit GL legalized brothels, no law violated.

2 & 3. If kanna catched shld be just record down IC, they mainly target OKTs or wl themselves.

This is from what I gathered.

Oh ok thx bro for this :p

kaokao
26-04-2014, 03:08 AM
Dear all sifus,

Read this thread pg to pg, still a bit confused.

Basically, if we r caught in hc or with a FL with our pants down, what is the safest thing to do/not to do/say to avoid being hauled to police station or having family called up? This, assuming the pros is above 18.

Tx in advance

newginq
10-05-2014, 03:57 AM
Dear all sifus,

Read this thread pg to pg, still a bit confused.

Basically, if we r caught in hc or with a FL with our pants down, what is the safest thing to do/not to do/say to avoid being hauled to police station or having family called up? This, assuming the pros is above 18.

Tx in advance

Thats an important question.. any wise advice?

sean69
03-12-2015, 05:50 PM
Dear all sifus,

Read this thread pg to pg, still a bit confused.

Basically, if we r caught in hc or with a FL with our pants down, what is the safest thing to do/not to do/say to avoid being hauled to police station or having family called up? This, assuming the pros is above 18.

Tx in advance

tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.. after that all u can do is pray :D

Kurosan
31-12-2016, 04:23 PM
learn alot from this thread thanks

Imfirecracker
09-01-2017, 05:57 PM
Super complicated. Totally catch no ball.

007newnewnew
02-12-2017, 10:42 AM
edit post. Thanks

starbkk
02-12-2017, 11:28 AM
Hi Senior Bros,

Want to ask that if the hotel reception want to take your IC detail before letting you go up with the FL.

What will happen if happen the FL kenna caught and the hotel pass your information to the police?

Anyone have similar situation before?

Thank you in advance.

You mommy will slap your back side and say you are a naughty boy !!!:D:D

Bistec
10-01-2018, 11:12 PM
Sorry if this has been addressed. I've read several pages of this thread, but not every post.

How often does AV conduct raids {e.g. Once a month)?

Also, in your opinions, are apartments used by FLs and OKTs safer from raids than hotels (being a private residence)?

Can you all satisfy my curiosity?

rharlan
19-11-2018, 03:07 PM
Thank you for this thread. Very helpful.

One thing which I never saw covered. What if I call an escort of legal age to a budget hotel? Is that technically illegal?

I have a couple of regulars who I meet often at budget hotels. I rent the room. But now I am a little concerned about the legality of it all.

yasuohate1
28-03-2019, 10:32 PM
Have there been cases where OKT is caught by AV and they check through his phone list?

The underage case a few years back comes to mind.

yasuohate1
29-03-2019, 11:43 AM
There are cases in the past where the extensive "listing" was taken.

Ohmai... And u know if those bros were then charged? Or mother wife informed?

Would be interesting to know how each bro deals with it. Is it a risk each is willing to take or simply go get an unregistered SIM (which in itself poses issues it caught with it)

rharlan
29-03-2019, 11:50 AM
Thank you for this thread. Very helpful.

One thing which I never saw covered. What if I call an escort of legal age to a budget hotel? Is that technically illegal?

I have a couple of regulars who I meet often at budget hotels. I rent the room. But now I am a little concerned about the legality of it all.

Hi bros. Hoping someone can answer this.

Robgot123
19-05-2019, 10:14 PM
HI can anyone tell me when you're booking escorts online through a stable, do you recommended buying and using a prepaid SIM?

kulit7
18-07-2019, 09:38 PM
good info but can someone enlighten me, for cheong bro if get caught with a unlicensed prostitute / FL, will we get in trouble? both foreign and local bro

zooloootooo
13-08-2019, 12:12 PM
good info but can someone enlighten me, for cheong bro if get caught with a unlicensed prostitute / FL, will we get in trouble? both foreign and local bro

For customers like us, think this is the GQ

Big Sexy
07-09-2019, 07:39 AM
German businessman gets jail for promoting overseas child sex tours to undercover Singapore police

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/michael-frank-hartung-german-jailed-promoting-child-sex-tours-11880572

SINGAPORE: A German businessman was sentenced to five-and-a-half years' jail on Friday (Sep 6) for promoting commercial sex with minors in the Philippines.

Michael Frank Hartung, 48, had marketed sex tours to undercover police officers in Singapore and had been found guilty in July of two charges of distributing information to promote commercial sex with minors.

He is out on bail pending his appeal against conviction and sentence.

Hartung, a former senior executive at Deutsche Bank, had met with two sets of undercover police officers - first at a Starbucks cafe at Raffles City Shopping Centre in September 2015, then at XI&O pub in Mackenzie Road in April 2016.

He had given the four men - who went by aliases Michael, Jackson, Paul and Frank - information about commercial sex with minors in the Philippines, saying he had access to contacts there who would facilitate arrangements for virgin girls aged between 14 and 16.

He also gave the men advice on the typical challenges faced when taking young girls to city hotels for sex, and suggested solutions.

The prosecution had pushed for at least 70 months' jail, saying that he image Hartung portrayed was "not of a rank amateur but of a connoisseur".

"For budding paedophiles who knew little to nothing about the actual procurement of minors, the accused projected confidence, familiarity and experience," said Deputy Public Prosecutor Marshall Lim.

Defence lawyer Mohamed Niroze Idroos had argued that his client had been “incited” and “instigated” into providing information about commercial sex with minors under 18 in the Philippines.

The prosecution said the sentence imposed by the court would punish Hartung and also serve as "an important signal to the rest of the society ... that Singapore is not a launch pad for paedophiles intending to visit neighbouring countries for commercial sex with minors".

"We must stamp out attempts to violate the innocence of these young children and it begins with meting out appropriate punishments to those who even dare try," he said.

Redcobra
14-11-2019, 08:49 PM
Hey everyone, not really new here but I can share my experience cos I was caught up in an AV raid so I hope I can share with you bros what to do if you ever get caught in this situation.

First time I try Cheong in this dome then suay first time kena already. Lucky I wasn't caught with my pants down doing the deed if not paiseh Sia.

Anyways back to the story I got to the location then okt ask me come up so I went up and proceeded to the room. Wait long2 for about a good 5-10 minutes outside then realized something was off. When I was going up the stairs got this brother also walking down with a camera in his hands. First red light for me but I shrugged it off thinking it was nothing.

Then the door opened then that's when I knew I was f***ed. The officer ask me come in then answer some questions. Got go through my phone and everything check my texts with OKT all. All I can say during this whole "interrogation" inside the room is like sort of informal. I just sit on the bed and tell them everything they ask, nothing more nothing less. Don't tell them things they don't ask you. Then last they Ask me to write a statement of witness as well with my details. The officer there was also nice in telling me what was prohibited and what isn't. Brothels that are not regulated are considered illegal but the people who visit them and the fls won't be charged unless they are underage. Very important point here.

Lastly they let me off and it's been a some time I haven't gotten anything from them so I assume I got off safely? Kind of suay lah first time want to Cheong this dome then kena.

chuannoshare
29-12-2019, 11:03 PM
Hey everyone, not really new here but I can share my experience cos I was caught up in an AV raid so I hope I can share with you bros what to do if you ever get caught in this situation.


Thanks for sharing with us bro. Apart from taking your phone and scanning it through, did the police took your IC and record down your details too?

DharmerNoddy
15-04-2020, 03:15 PM
Was looking forward to have a happy session with PLE from Rolly Polly
Everything went smooth at first , head down as per instruction told by
Okt Rolly Polly, Reached the location text Okt Rolly Polly for the next step ,
Instruction given was to walk in and to avoid the reception. But I was stun how do I avoid the reception while the counter was just beside the door. unless he think im a ninja or invisible man (did okt rolly polly think before say or is he an idiot) Nevermind I give it a try ,went in was stop and ask to take temperature and ask me where am I going , told them visiting a friend ,they told me for this period no visitor can visit the hotel.

Told okt about the situation ,okt was very rude and lack of manners ,scolded me and even wanna threatened. really waste my time go down,I will not return to Rolly Polly anymore, this kind of retarded okt can avoid pls avoid at all cost.

proceed to another stable everything smooth and okt was friendly

Conversation between me and ill mannered rolly polly okt

299909299910299911

CiKiSong
18-04-2020, 12:56 PM
The government do not want to openly declare. It is done discreetly for Geylang. This law applies to the society especially to those who thinks that anyone can just start a brothel.

CiKiSong
18-04-2020, 01:00 PM
It's a form of discreet control by government agency.

JonBiz
17-08-2020, 12:34 AM
Hey everyone, not really new here but I can share my experience cos I was caught up in an AV raid so I hope I can share with you bros what to do if you ever get caught in this situation.

First time I try Cheong in this dome then suay first time kena already. Lucky I wasn't caught with my pants down doing the deed if not paiseh Sia.

Anyways back to the story I got to the location then okt ask me come up so I went up and proceeded to the room. Wait long2 for about a good 5-10 minutes outside then realized something was off. When I was going up the stairs got this brother also walking down with a camera in his hands. First red light for me but I shrugged it off thinking it was nothing.

Then the door opened then that's when I knew I was f***ed. The officer ask me come in then answer some questions. Got go through my phone and everything check my texts with OKT all. All I can say during this whole "interrogation" inside the room is like sort of informal. I just sit on the bed and tell them everything they ask, nothing more nothing less. Don't tell them things they don't ask you. Then last they Ask me to write a statement of witness as well with my details. The officer there was also nice in telling me what was prohibited and what isn't. Brothels that are not regulated are considered illegal but the people who visit them and the fls won't be charged unless they are underage. Very important point here.

Lastly they let me off and it's been a some time I haven't gotten anything from them so I assume I got off safely? Kind of suay lah first time want to Cheong this dome then kena.

Wah I am also a first timer to cheongiing, long ago (my first and last time) I went for one of the stables, I think there was an oncoming raid also. After my first shot with the girl, she received an sms from the okt saying got police and asking her to run. First timer me kan chiong sia...I just wear my clothes and bolted out of the hotel.

Also the part on visiting hotels and FLs not being charged is new to me, thanks for highlighting.

Cheers

27legend
18-08-2020, 10:48 PM
Sorry if have been asked before. Just curious.

What happens to FL if caught will she be confined overnight, phones confiscated and fined etc?

JackWinn
25-01-2021, 09:56 AM
It is very interesting

clean&neat
31-03-2021, 12:56 PM
Hey everyone, not really new here but I can share my experience cos I was caught up in an AV raid so I hope I can share with you bros what to do if you ever get caught in this situation.

Lastly they let me off and it's been a some time I haven't gotten anything from them so I assume I got off safely? Kind of suay lah first time want to Cheong this dome then kena.

Once again lets be clear, it is not not against the law to patronize FL/ML as long as not underaged and it is a willing buyer/seller agreement. MIB also too busy and not interested to spoil your reputation and family. They want your statement to process their case as you are a witness. However it is not likely they will call you to testify publicly since they have many many statements from others as well. They only want to bust the illegal brothels. Any FL/ML if they have a local PR status or pink IC, they will not be charged, since it is not against the law to be a prostitute. It is only against the law to be the OKT of a group of FLs. For those on social/student or other passes, the MIB usually refer them to Immigration to process them for breach of pass, fine and deport them.

MIB will want to look into your phone to gather proof of the transaction with the OKT so make sure nothing illegal there, and please please stay off drugs.

My modus operandi is that I always bring a clean phone with me when I go out with a second SIM card. Buy a cheap 2nd hand phone for $100 and sign up for a low cost SIM card from the many providers for about $10-20/month. I find Redone quite good since can also roam in JB/KL.

I store my main phone in my bag or leave in the car when I go visit and just make all transactions and bookings on the second phone.

1) Family/friends will not know this number so minimize risk of embarrassment if number gets leaked
2) Although the number is registered to your NRIC, the MIB won't be interested to track you down unless you broke the law
3) In Malaysia, the MMIB may go through your phone to find next of kin to embarrass you, this way no contacts on the phone
4) No family photos on the phone, as sometimes the MIB may give you a judgmental look
5) Learn to do a fast data reset on the phone and you won't lose anything personal should your SO have the habit of peeking into your phone.

edwardgreene
01-03-2022, 02:20 PM
Good advice on 2nd phone while other phone remains tucked away.


Once again lets be clear, it is not not against the law to patronize FL/ML as long as not underaged and it is a willing buyer/seller agreement. MIB also too busy and not interested to spoil your reputation and family. They want your statement to process their case as you are a witness. However it is not likely they will call you to testify publicly since they have many many statements from others as well. They only want to bust the illegal brothels. Any FL/ML if they have a local PR status or pink IC, they will not be charged, since it is not against the law to be a prostitute. It is only against the law to be the OKT of a group of FLs. For those on social/student or other passes, the MIB usually refer them to Immigration to process them for breach of pass, fine and deport them.

MIB will want to look into your phone to gather proof of the transaction with the OKT so make sure nothing illegal there, and please please stay off drugs.

My modus operandi is that I always bring a clean phone with me when I go out with a second SIM card. Buy a cheap 2nd hand phone for $100 and sign up for a low cost SIM card from the many providers for about $10-20/month. I find Redone quite good since can also roam in JB/KL.

I store my main phone in my bag or leave in the car when I go visit and just make all transactions and bookings on the second phone.

1) Family/friends will not know this number so minimize risk of embarrassment if number gets leaked
2) Although the number is registered to your NRIC, the MIB won't be interested to track you down unless you broke the law
3) In Malaysia, the MMIB may go through your phone to find next of kin to embarrass you, this way no contacts on the phone
4) No family photos on the phone, as sometimes the MIB may give you a judgmental look
5) Learn to do a fast data reset on the phone and you won't lose anything personal should your SO have the habit of peeking into your phone.

Prot5
05-03-2022, 09:10 AM
Thanks for the info

Superzeen
20-04-2022, 10:55 AM
Thanks for the info

Yamagahai
26-04-2022, 06:51 PM
Thanks for the info. Is it rude to ask for the FL passport to verify age?

soonbeng
18-06-2022, 02:52 PM
Prostitution is allowed in Singapore by law. But living off the earnings of a prostitute is an offence.

FC94
21-07-2022, 09:23 PM
Learnt so much from this thread...

AugustChrist
23-07-2022, 01:46 PM
Good advice on 2nd phone while other phone remains tucked away.

Totally agree. I have the same MO.
However, I wonder what LE will say when they will look into my 2nd phone: all the TG channels from Dome 1 and others, all WA messages with various OKTs to arrange and confirm bookings etc..:eek: :confused:

p u r e
23-07-2022, 02:06 PM
so basically...

it's embarassing to be caught by SPF in the act, but you won't be charged?

stunlikeveg
21-08-2022, 12:10 AM
Totally agree. I have the same MO.
However, I wonder what LE will say when they will look into my 2nd phone: all the TG channels from Dome 1 and others, all WA messages with various OKTs to arrange and confirm bookings etc..:eek: :confused:

Personally, I prefer to I delete all my messages. These messages are not useful at all so no point keeping. More harm than good to keep.

pikapiakpika
02-01-2023, 01:30 PM
Thanks for the info

kataku456
14-01-2023, 10:05 PM
Lol this helped me clarify my doubts and fear, as I am considering my first visit to some of the listings here

Deqw3r88
20-01-2023, 10:52 AM
Really thanks for the info, always lurking and wanting to try but never dare to

DrMahathir
23-01-2023, 02:14 PM
Old bird here going anon. In my FL cheonging history I was caught in an AV raid twice.

The first was many many years ago. I left the room and out of nowhere a dude wrapped his arm around my shoulder, identified himself and led to a very public area of the establishment. There were already a few cheongsters seated there with heads bowed and shoulders slouched. Of course I was bloody scared too altho I did not know then I was not guilty of any crime. It seemed AV was determined to make us feel ashamed to the max with very curt language and minimal communication. One of them demanded (not asked) for my ID which I handed over. Another female officer demanded for my mobile and had a merry time scrolling thru all my messages. I will always remember this senior cheebyekia officer who arrived late and started insulting us e.g. "this time caught so many fuckers", "what the fuck you looking at" etc. After about an hour one of them shouted at me to come over to sign a statement. No informing me of what I was not guilty of, my rights, no nothing. Just "sign this" and curtly told to go after that. Fucking cheebyes the whole of them.

Second time was a while ago. Just fired my first shot when there was knocking at the door. I knew then siao liao and started to get dressed. My fears were confirmed when there was a gasp of shock as the gal opened the door. I was brought into the corridor expecting a repeat telecast of that shit experience years back. Wow, different experience. One AV officer was assigned to me and politely identified himself as from AV. He then told me why they were there and assured me that I was not guilty of anything neither will they inform your family or workplace, just that they need me to show them some stuff before signing a statement. He asked me what stable I booked the gal from and to show him the text messages of which he took photos. At no time did he remove my phone from my hand. I took the opportunity to ask him some questions; he said that they target the OKT and not the gal. The gal also keeps her earnings provided they are not held as evidence. After that sign statement and I was free to go. Whole thing lasted about just 15 mins.

Big differences between the two incidents. In the first incident they do not treat you with respect nor civility even tho you fully cooperate. They also demand for your mobile phone to screen thru. It may have legal then perhaps not now. Now in the second incident I at least felt respected and fully informed why and what was going on, particularly in impact to me. They also request (not demand) you to do stuff.

Second experience was much more positive and I felt assured I was being treated right as a tax-paying citizen. Because of the first incident I voted for oppo for many years. Perhaps I will simply spoil my vote instead from now on.

Bottom line is, if you are caught in an AV raid, just comply with AV's requests and you will likely be released without much fuss.

Playplayonly
05-03-2023, 03:19 PM
What happen to the ladies caught? Especially those who are here on the false impression of holiday.

Suntoryno02
29-03-2023, 08:58 AM
Thanks for sharing!

zooloootooo
16-04-2023, 05:44 AM
Does any stable accept telegram requests? So far see all asking to request via WA only

Cookiemookata
21-04-2023, 12:35 AM
[QUOTE=DrMahathir;22001288]Old bird here going anon. In my FL cheonging history I was caught in an AV raid twice.

Thanks for the tips!

Heretohelp
26-04-2023, 03:19 PM
Old bird here going anon. In my FL cheonging history I was caught in an AV raid twice.

The first was many many years ago. I left the room and out of nowhere a dude wrapped his arm around my shoulder, identified himself and led to a very public area of the establishment. There were already a few cheongsters seated there with heads bowed and shoulders slouched. Of course I was bloody scared too altho I did not know then I was not guilty of any crime. It seemed AV was determined to make us feel ashamed to the max with very curt language and minimal communication. One of them demanded (not asked) for my ID which I handed over. Another female officer demanded for my mobile and had a merry time scrolling thru all my messages. I will always remember this senior cheebyekia officer who arrived late and started insulting us e.g. "this time caught so many fuckers", "what the fuck you looking at" etc. After about an hour one of them shouted at me to come over to sign a statement. No informing me of what I was not guilty of, my rights, no nothing. Just "sign this" and curtly told to go after that. Fucking cheebyes the whole of them.

Second time was a while ago. Just fired my first shot when there was knocking at the door. I knew then siao liao and started to get dressed. My fears were confirmed when there was a gasp of shock as the gal opened the door. I was brought into the corridor expecting a repeat telecast of that shit experience years back. Wow, different experience. One AV officer was assigned to me and politely identified himself as from AV. He then told me why they were there and assured me that I was not guilty of anything neither will they inform your family or workplace, just that they need me to show them some stuff before signing a statement. He asked me what stable I booked the gal from and to show him the text messages of which he took photos. At no time did he remove my phone from my hand. I took the opportunity to ask him some questions; he said that they target the OKT and not the gal. The gal also keeps her earnings provided they are not held as evidence. After that sign statement and I was free to go. Whole thing lasted about just 15 mins.

Big differences between the two incidents. In the first incident they do not treat you with respect nor civility even tho you fully cooperate. They also demand for your mobile phone to screen thru. It may have legal then perhaps not now. Now in the second incident I at least felt respected and fully informed why and what was going on, particularly in impact to me. They also request (not demand) you to do stuff.

Second experience was much more positive and I felt assured I was being treated right as a tax-paying citizen. Because of the first incident I voted for oppo for many years. Perhaps I will simply spoil my vote instead from now on.

Bottom line is, if you are caught in an AV raid, just comply with AV's requests and you will likely be released without much fuss.

Interesting thread

twopiece
26-04-2023, 04:19 PM
how does voting oppo determine the outcome of the situation? got such thing meh? tot its confidential?

Mrsmiles
09-05-2023, 09:01 AM
What happen to the ladies caught? Especially those who are here on the false impression of holiday.

should be case by case basis.

Taintan
15-05-2023, 03:35 PM
Hi, so I got caught by the police in a room with an escort I found online through a website.

They took my statement and took pictures of the messages. I was wondering will anything happen to me?

I have learnt my lesson so hope someone can help shed some light!

Thank you!

Bbtt332023
15-05-2023, 03:52 PM
Hi, so I got caught by the police in a room with an escort I found online through a website.

They took my statement and took pictures of the messages. I was wondering will anything happen to me?

I have learnt my lesson so hope someone can help shed some light!

Thank you!

Able to share more info? Like which website or stable? PM if possible.

Taintan
15-05-2023, 04:18 PM
Able to share more info? Like which website or stable? PM if possible.

Sent you a pm

Cubz
17-05-2023, 06:13 PM
Happens if you’re caught and you’re a civil servant?

Poolydoolyz
27-05-2023, 03:04 PM
Hi, so I got caught by the police in a room with an escort I found online through a website.

They took my statement and took pictures of the messages. I was wondering will anything happen to me?

I have learnt my lesson so hope someone can help shed some light!

Thank you!

Can share with me via pm like what website it is or stable? Just to avoid it. Thank you!

iraking444
02-06-2023, 03:04 PM
Can share with me via pm like what website it is or stable? Just to avoid it. Thank you!

Guys , one of the fl who was working in d1 got my personal no. Today she was coming to sg to work. But stuck at immigration and she ask me to verify for her. Ica called me but I didn't give my ic number. Now she is waiting to send back to Thailand. Will ica track me using my number?

iraking444
02-06-2023, 03:08 PM
Will ica track me, if the fl coming to sg is blacklisted and I was suppose to verify.

james577
04-10-2023, 12:23 AM
Testing testing

tfhc1989
08-10-2023, 03:58 PM
Test message

sweet7spices
10-02-2024, 03:19 PM
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sweet7spices
10-02-2024, 03:22 PM
Verification.

codyyf
13-03-2024, 12:55 PM
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codyyf
13-03-2024, 12:56 PM
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oryxed
17-03-2024, 10:57 AM
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18-03-2024, 10:10 PM
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