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andytan88
16-01-2014, 10:42 PM
KingDerrick, i couldn't help but notice that you have been harassing PriveEscorts everywhere and every day. I know other than the fact that he screamed at your before for unknown reason, all other accusations you made against him are either not true or meaningless. It is very irritating seeing you messing with him everywhere. Since i am the FIRST one and the ONLY ONE (other than you of course) complaining about PriveEscorts OPENLY in SBF, i believe my comments are unbiased and credible?

The way you complained about him is rather disorganized as they are all over the places and the samsters won’t get the full picture of your accusations. Let me do you a favour by summarising what you have been accusing (to the best of my memory) and assigning them with a numerical number so that we can ensure that all your accusations are addressed. Please feel free to rebut my comments if you disagree with me. For those you don’t rebut, i will assume you are happy and you will pursue no further. Please take note that this is not a debate, this is just a platform to share of my observation and personal experience as a cheongster, so that from this platform we would get a clearer idea whether PriveEscorts is a rouge OKT like you claimed or simply a smart business okt like I claimed (the term i used previously was “shrewd”). In the meantime, I have to admit that i do it openly for a selfish reason, i.e. after knowing the identify of some of the FLs under his stable (other than the cameo because i haven’t met her yet), it would be such a waste to lose him as a okt here (i know this is the ultimate goal you want to achieve). So long the damage for all his FLs capped at today price and go up no further, I am more than happy to forget my complaint against him previously and welcome him here as my FL supplier. And I do recommend other bros to support him as none of us want to lose a good OKT.

1) Rogue okt or rogue client?
Rude to you and treated you unprofessionally don’t make him a rogue okt. I would just call him a rude/ unprofessional okt. Of course I don't know the real reason why he was rude and screamed at you, but based on your behavior recently in SBF, i do realise that you tend to act extremely aggressive and revengeful when you feel that your are offended. Revenge is the only thing that you want from him, and you want it desperately. But you revenge him in a cowardly way; You created a clone account just for the purpose of flaming him suggest that you do not dare to confront him like a man. All your behaviors suggest that you are not the kind of customer that the OKTs can easily handled and would want to take. They know that they would be better off without you as a customer. PriveEscorts might have sensed it through the phone conversation you two had, PriveEscorts might get pissed off when you made unreasonable requests, or last minute cancellation or worst of all, you saw and ran. No one would know the truth except for yourself, not even the PriveEscorts himself, unless you are man enough to let the okt knows your true identity and your phone number and let him clarify, or else, it would be just your word against, erm, nobody's word. When i made my complaint agaisnt him previously in SBF, he knew who I am and what was my complaint about and he responded accordingly. Though his response is not to my satisfaction, but at least he knew what i wasn’t happy about. Can you do the same? Let the OKT know your real ID so that we can clear the air and have a better picture to assess who was at fault and who is the rogue one?

2) Why only PriveEscorts?
Yeah, right, he was rude to you for an unknown reason, that’s right you flamed him everywhere every day. If you want to be a white knight in this forum and want bros up your points, you should focus on the real problematic OKts. Have you not heard of Crystal, the once notorious okt now renamed to SGmodels? He/She might be professional to you, but the DOs and age posted by him/her are certainly misleading. You might not know him/her, but I believe you did read his/her threads before, and I was surprised that you never even question what does "All service provided" even mean in his/her thread? Let’s not talk about the uncommon DOs, if the FLs dont even allow for the basic DOs like Bbbj, painting and fingering etc, isn't the description deceitful? And what about the fake FRs written? Those FRs were rolled forward from Cyrstal's and we all know that the experience encountered by different bros vary significantly. What about the gap between the photo posted and the real person? Having said that, i do have to acknowledge his/her improvement and give him/her credit after he/she rebranded to SGmodels. SGmodels never deleted a single negative FRs to the best of my knowledge and is willing to post the negative FRs on the first few posts in his/her threads to let bros judged by themselves. I really admire him/her for that. But the "All service provided" thing is still…

You did complain about girlyaffair,, but your complaints weren’t as aggressive and were considered mild in comparison to the flaming against PriveEscorts. Girlyaffairs might be professional and is generally ok, except that he is very pricey with unknown FL quality. I don’t like him advertises in SBF cos I afraid that the new okts would benchmark his price that would cause another price hike again, similar to the one in about a year ago based on my observation. Let me copy and paste the reasons why I hate having girlyaffair around in the next post.

So, if you want bros to up you point and to make your accusations more credible, please focus on the real known problematic OKTs first before you made your lone accusation against PriveEscorts openly (mine was just a complaint so doesn't count).

3) No DOs and DONTs?
Is it considered cheating/wrong not publishing the Dos and Donts in his threads like what other OKTs do? Well, i wouldn't think that is an issue so long he is willing to clarify the Dos in the call/sms. If he doesn't, i would then say that is a big issue and i won’t take my chances. But if he does, i think you shouldn't make a big fuss out of it. Haven’t you noticed the way his intention to portray himself as a service provider for "companionship" rather than a service provider for "sex"? We all know what he is actually selling and what services his girls are actually providing, but when it comes to laws, the law enforcement would convict the latter but not the former as the former is legal whereas the latter is illegal from laws' perspective. If he can't take the risk for being caught and willing to lose clients because of that, let him be and that is his own lose. As long as he don’t do it for purpose of cheating us and is willing to clarify the DOs via other means which he is comfortable with, i wouldn't make a big fuss of it.

andytan88
16-01-2014, 10:43 PM
4) Why rebranding?
He could do that for a lot of reasons, but i dont think he changed name is because Lucky9 name is rotten as i never seen a single negative FRs about Lucky9 before other than my own complaint. On the contrary, all the FRs about him and his girls were positive. I seriously doubt that he changed name is becos of bad reputation. What I did notice is that he owns a website after rebranding. Remember i used to call him a "shrewd businessman"? A shrewd businessman wouldn’t be silly enough not to use a more atas name with "Escort" like PriveEscorts in his website. A atas name would attract the atas customers and most importantly, he would be able to attract the clients outside SBF based on their google search of SG escort. In addition, if Lucky9 name is rotten, why would he himself states that "Lucky9 has been rebranded to PriveEscorts" in the first line of all his treads? He is smart, remember? He is not stupid.

5) OKT’s attitude/professionalism/service important?
I wouldn't think so and i couldn't care less. At end of the day, i am paying for the quality of the FLs. As long as the Okts don’t cheat me in anyway and the price worth the quality, then i as a cheongster is fine. Cheating is totally a different issue. Haven’t you been screamed by Sinful Desire before for being late or whatever reason? He did scream at me for a couple of times despite I was his regular. But i still patronized him often cos i know i wouldn’t be cheated by him and the quality of his girls justified the price. After all, please remember that you are probably dealing with a bunch of not highly educated ab beng who ditch school for tattoos, what do you expect from them? It takes a dude with different moral value to be an OKT. Though they are bound by certain codes in doing their business but certainly they are not bound by professionalism but professionalism can be a value added service they provide to the clients. They do this with an objective of making quick and big bucks.

6) Copy the design and contents from another okt website and grammar errors?
Seriously, bro, who would care about it other than CitiVibeEscorts and you?

7) Photos poorly taken and blurred?
This on the other hand is critical to me and I couldn’t emphasize enough that photos are the most important and the only thing that i could rely on before i made a final decision. Photos which show only the body like those posted by girilyaffairs are totally useless to me. It can be anyone in the photo and I could never get a flavor of how the FLs look like by looking at those body photos. Photo which reveal partial of face features on the other hand are useful and helpful for me to make a decision, that is the reason why I normally patronize those OKTs whom posted photos revealing face feature. I personally find that the photos posted by PriveEscorts extremely useful and are exactly the ideal photo I would expect from an OKT, second to those covering only eyes' photo of course. I would be able to tell whether the girls are to my likings based on the photos posted by PriveEscorts and thus can make decision immediately after clarifying the DOs. The blurriness purposely created by PriveEscorts doesn’t do any damage to the photos or change my judgement. As I mentioned earlier, I know some of the FLs under Prive Escorts’ stable, so I know the person you see in the photos are the person that you will get. I never seen anyone in this forum who is as obsessed as me on the photos and rely on the photos more than me before making a decision. I have been emphasizing the importance of photos to me.Therefore, I do think my feedbacks on the photo quality and genuineness is more unbiased and constructive than yours.

Like what I mentioned before, do feel free to disagree with me and share your comments, but your comments must be constructive, then we would get a better picture whether PriveEscorts is a good or rogue OKT. You are welcome to add on anything I missed out.

All in all, I disagreed with all your accusations against PriveEscorts and think that overall he is fine whom provide good quality FLs with reasonable price, and the photos posted by him are exactly the ideal photos i would expect from an OKT. I have taken a look of the prices of his stable today and noticed that he did hear the concern I raised previously on one of his girls and adjust the price accordingly, which I personally appreciate. So long he doesn't increase the price for the FLs I wanted to try, I would be happy to be his next client.

andytan88
16-01-2014, 10:45 PM
Below are the reasons I hate having girlyaffair around.

It is true that no one forces us as a customer but it is not necessarily true that as a customer, we have a choice. Most of the time, we as a customer suffers as a result of some selfish and greedy acts from one person. Take taxi fare as an example, if Comfort adjusts its fare upwards, do you think other taxi providers wont follow suit despite their increase might not be justifiable? I doubt so. You might say that we can choose other means of transportation like MRT and buses, but the truth is, the fares of all the transports would also increase shortly after following the first wave.

If you guys still remember, this happened about a year ago when the average price for a local girl ranged from $600 to $800. The price hike lasted for about 1 year, started by girllyaffairs and Vipservice, then all the new OKTs used their price as a benchmark to set their price.$600 to $800 was perceived as a new market price at that time by the OKTs (written a year ago http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=8378024&postcount=94 ).Though now the market price back to normal, but we as a customer suffered during that period, we were forced to buy overpriced local pussies. There is no alternative for local fls and other nationality pussy is out of the picture as some of us dont just pay sex for sex, we also want companionship from someone whom we can relate to.

If girllyaffairs is providing a limo service and not a normal taxi service, he should make it clear in his thread that he is selling Golden Pussies with Quality Assured to differentiate his FLs from others to avoid another new price benchmarking in SBF. Besides, regardless of the quality, he shouldnt even offer a pricey FL in HDB area where most of the resident expect a reasonble priced FLs service to be sold there. He is asking for trouble for brandishing his pricey girls with unknown quality at HDB area.

His pricing and advertising strategy affect us as a cheongsters a year ago and who know what would happen next if no one is making noise, that is why we care.

Rachel13
16-01-2014, 11:11 PM
Hi

Get a life.

Bye

logitech123
17-01-2014, 02:23 AM
andytan88

Go and get yourself a job, instead of spending your day writing FRs in here. Dumb.

You sound like a weirdo to me. No wonder you dont have a gf. Always need to look for an FL.

If you have so much time, go play with your own balls.

so you always look for FL mean you dont have GF too?
worst still when you troll in the forum

andytan88
17-01-2014, 02:42 AM
Customer service is important.

I am the one paying, if you are rude and treat me with no respect, off you go. I dont care what kind of craps you are selling. :mad:

Maybe, you can accept rudeness from OKT because girls are more important to you. I dont operate like you. I have pride.

haha, you are the one paying? so how much you have paid him? if you haven't spent a dime on him, then you suffered nothing and you shouldn't be barking everywhere. You can't even write to me properly without being rude and disrespectful, that should answer the 1st point i raised, i.e. you seriously have an attitude problem and it was you who were at fault instead of the okt.

if you really have pride, why wouldn't you use your real ID to confront the okt? if you have pride, why would you flame him cowardly in front of your computer? if you have pride, why till now you still refuse to told us why the okt screamed at you? you called all these pride? gosh

andytan88
17-01-2014, 02:56 AM
andytan88

Go and get yourself a job, instead of spending your day writing FRs in here. Dumb.

You sound like a weirdo to me. No wonder you dont have a gf. Always need to look for an FL.

If you have so much time, go play with your own balls.

well, so you really have nothing better to say other than attacking me prsonnally?

if i don't have a job, how did i pay for cheonging? if i don't have a high paying job, how did i pay for pricey locals to satisfy my urge? if I dont have a high ranking job, how could i be so relaxed and spent time talking sense to you? and if i dont have a high ranking position, do you think i can stay up late and have flexi hours as i wish?

I dont have a gf and play with my own balls? how do you know your mom isn't my fb and isn't begging to lick my shithole now? i did mention i have fetish on other people's wife, remember? haha. i can do better than this for a personal attack, but i will just give you a break.

so, i guess i have addressed all your concerns about PriveEscorts since you have nothing to say despite i summarise your concerns in a more organisation, and now the only thing that you could think of is to attack me personally? i am glab that the air is clear now i don't have to see your flaming anymore.

prsmms
17-01-2014, 07:27 AM
you two sibeh boliao....can request both of you private pm each other and FXXX each other...dont need post here...nobody interested to see both your argument or disagreement. yawnzzzzz nitezzz

bengeo
17-01-2014, 10:04 AM
Hi prsmms..don't be kp...let the 2bros continue. I fine it interesting. Each has his own points.

andytan88
17-01-2014, 01:30 PM
Look at all your previous posts. Fancy arguing with almost everybody in here. If you are so great, you dont need to pay for sex le.

What's with all your long essays?

Are you trying hard to impress everyone?


I could explain to you again why paid sex is important (http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=10317898&postcount=566 ), i could explain to you why my replies are long winded, but that is not important and no one is interested, we can take it offline.

Can we please focus on the elephant in the room, and clarifying whether PriveEscorts is a bad or good okt? Based on your replies till now, i believe the 1st point is the only point we havent addressed, i.e. you still refused to tell us why PriveEscorts screamed at you thus offended you. If you weren't at fault, i bet you would hv alr told us the reason and used your real ID when you first flamed PriveEscorts. If you do have pride like you claimed, please let us have the truth why the okt screamed at you.

Focusing only attacking me wouldnt help in addressing your concern of PriveEscort and restore your pride in anyway.

andytan88
17-01-2014, 01:35 PM
I operate differently from you. You come in here to write long useless posts on every thread.
I come in here to expose bad, deceitful OKT who had offended me.

Please, you came in here to flame the OKt who had offended you but not necessarily bad nor deceitful, or the OKT who charges expensive price which you can't afford. You need to realise what you are actually doing vs what you claimed you are doing.

andytan88
17-01-2014, 01:47 PM
you two sibeh boliao....can request both of you private pm each other and FXXX each other...dont need post here...nobody interested to see both your argument or disagreement. yawnzzzzz nitezzz

Bro, this is not an argument or disagreement, i have made it clear that this is the platform to clarify whether PriveEscorts is a good or bad okt. This hv to be done openly cos except for you, everyone deserves to hear two sides of the story instead of kingDerrick's side of smearing.

Btw, if i dont lure him here, he would be all over the forum, that i believe is the last thing you want to see.

Speaking of bo liao and pm each other, why dont you take the lead first to pm us instead of replying to this thread in the first place? I dont think anyone would be in anyway more interested in you lecturing us...

andytan88
17-01-2014, 07:58 PM
So, now we are talking. Let me summarize your points:

1) and 2) okt is rude.
3) female coordinator sucks at coordination and messed up one samster’s schedule and plan.
4) -5) other okt complained about PriveEscort for stealing their website design etc, and representing their girls which for some reason, the girls chose to jumped ship to PriveEscort.
6) PriveEscorts forced 1 samsters to pay rejection despite it was the girl who was late for the appointment.

Except for point 6), the rest of the accusations don't make PriveEscorts a bad okt.

1) - 2) PriveEscorts might be rude and unprofessional to certain customers, and it is understandable that why you get offended. But what I don’t understand and what are missing here are:
a) Why you have been avoiding answering the real reason why PriveEscorts screamed at you? If you are the one at fault first, please don’t blame someone else. Please have a pride like a man.

b) Why you are so perseverance trying to flame him and want him close shop? Yes, he offended you and we got your point. But after all, he didn’t cheat you and didn’t earn a single cent from you. A normal person would just let go after 1 or 2 complaints. You aren’t. You want him to close shop. As far as I can tell, none of the representations in his thread are wrong, unlike SGmodels. And yet, you still didn’t have the balls to mention your comment on SGmodels, I wonder why…

3) You never engaged other okt before meh? Isn’t it very common that they messed up our schedules, and apologized to us for the last minutes cancellation. This cant be anymore common. Besides, you are just using one instance to judge him. I can tell you all the OKTs I engage have the same issue. Since all of them have the same issue, then it is not an issue anymore.

4) Unless you are an OKT, why would you as a cheongster cares whether PriveEscorts copy their FAQ, TnC, designs and fonts?

5) So, if other OKTs claimed are true, which agency did Kelly previous come from? Who can testify that she is not totally new?

Did other OKTs also tell you that the FLs were all independent for a long time before they joined PriveEscorts? So, I don’t think the OKTs can claim those girls are theirs since they have left them for a long time. So long it doesn’t involve poaching, why would a cheongster cares? Even if it involves poaching, why would a cheongster cares if the price doesn’t go up? As far as I can tell, PriveEscorts states very clearly which of his girls are recycled, which are not. This is what is important.

6) So, did the samster eventually compromise and pay? And is this the only instance that you heard? And how sure you know that the samster is not a clone like you who tried to flame PriveEscorts?

andytan88
17-01-2014, 08:02 PM
As far as I can tell, the only valid point you have to accuse him as a bad okt is he might threaten to force 1 samsters to pay rejection despite it was his girl whom was late for the appointment. This is only 1 instance and you don’t know whether that samster is a clone or not. You can’t judge him based on that 1 unverified instance.

All your other accusations would only make him an arrogant and rude OKT. I won’t stop you from calling him a rude and unprofessional OKT, but it is wrong to call him bad and deceitful OKT. In my opinion, he is still a good okt, he never deceive like other okt did

All in all, there are 2 points that you still refused to answer me, and if you can answer me satisfactory, I would not pursue any further.
1) What was the reason why PriveEscorts screamed at you?
2) Why you never mess with SGmodels though we know that who he/she really is and since you are portraying yourself as someone whom is trying to expose deceitful okt. Believe me, it would make your accusations more credible if you can have a few comments about him/her. If you don't, it could only mean that.. .

huhu123
18-01-2014, 05:37 AM
WOW the debate here is even more robust than the transport fare hike issue. Must copy and show our Mp to shame them; ask them to come here and learn simi si great argument.

alexander81
18-01-2014, 10:01 AM
This is getting very intresting.

Bro andy, keep going! Support!

beachboyz
18-01-2014, 12:34 PM
WOW the debate here is even more robust than the transport fare hike issue. Must copy and show our Mp to shame them; ask them to come here and learn simi si great argument.

Haha of course lah the debate here concern more than 1 head on each male body here

tummybee
19-01-2014, 09:31 AM
Hi there, not trying to jump into the debate here but just sharing my observation...

I dun think Prive is copying Cityvibe.. In fact I suspect they could be the same OKT based on similar modus operandi (JohnnyE=BullD=Model2Nite=DespoH??=CityV=Lucky9=Pr iveE). Again just my guess only..

Peace out.

vinph
19-01-2014, 12:27 PM
Hi there, not trying to jump into the debate here but just sharing my observation...

I dun think Prive is copying Cityvibe.. In fact I suspect they could be the same OKT based on similar modus operandi (JohnnyE=BullD=Model2Nite=DespoH??=CityV=Lucky9=Pr iveE). Again just my guess only..

Peace out.

If you dont know anything, shut the hell up lah

Johnnyescort is bulldogg. Yes.
But Prive Escorts is Lucky Nine.

Johnnyescort is NOT Prive Escorts. I can confirm this reality. 200% sure of it.

Johnnyescorts OKT is professional on the phone. Prive Escorts AKA Lucky Nine sounds like a someone whom I dont cannot trust.

Johnnyescorts has professional photographer. Prive Escorts just use a camera and shoot like any normal person.

vinph
19-01-2014, 12:29 PM
Hi there, not trying to jump into the debate here but just sharing my observation...

I dun think Prive is copying Cityvibe.. In fact I suspect they could be the same OKT based on similar modus operandi (JohnnyE=BullD=Model2Nite=DespoH??=CityV=Lucky9=Pr iveE). Again just my guess only..

Peace out.

You ask the regular cheongsters here loh...see what they say.

Noob...Zzzz...

andytan88
19-01-2014, 06:02 PM
Hi there, not trying to jump into the debate here but just sharing my observation...

I dun think Prive is copying Cityvibe.. In fact I suspect they could be the same OKT based on similar modus operandi (JohnnyE=BullD=Model2Nite=DespoH??=CityV=Lucky9=Pr iveE). Again just my guess only..

Peace out.

If PriveEscorts is indeed Bulldog/Cityvibe, isn't it great? Bulldog/Cityvibe had a good reputation in SBF and provided reasonable quality girls (of course that only happened after Bulldog lowered his price to be one of the lowest in SBF); JohnnyE operates outside SBF and is meant for clients other than SBF samsters which isn't/shouldn't be our concern at all; DespoH is meant for a niche market for a fetish group of bros (though i find DespoH is pricey given the age of the FLs).

Rachel13
19-01-2014, 06:30 PM
If PriveEscorts is indeed Bulldog/Cityvibe, isn't it great? Bulldog/Cityvibe had a good reputation in SBF and provided reasonable quality girls (of course that only happened after Bulldog lowered his price to be one of the lowest in SBF); JohnnyE operates outside SBF and is meant for clients other than SBF samsters which isn't/shouldn't be our concern at all; DespoH is meant for a niche market for a fetish group of bros (though i find DespoH is pricey given the age of the FLs).

Are you new to the FL cheonging scene?

Bulldogg = Johnny escorts = Cityvibes.

Prive escorts = Lucky 9.

They are not the same people. Period.

andytan88
20-01-2014, 01:10 PM
Are you new to the FL cheonging scene?

Bulldogg = Johnny escorts = Cityvibes.

Prive escorts = Lucky 9.

They are not the same people. Period.


Haha, i am new to the FL scene, but not as new as you. For a less than 2 months old and those less than 1 month old samster, you guys sure know your stuff though bulldoggs had long gone before you guys registered your accounts.

bengeo
20-01-2014, 04:03 PM
Haha...Rachel is proxy la. ' Sniper'who hid n shot.lol

tummybee
20-01-2014, 11:10 PM
Lol.. Didn't know making a guess can attract such strong reactions from newbies.

Well they may be right. Good to share the right info to all Sbf bros anyway.

Thanks newbies for the correction, proxies or not.

kuyoko
09-09-2014, 02:12 AM
I could explain to you again why paid sex is important (http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showpost.php?p=10317898&postcount=566 ), i could explain to you why my replies are long winded, but that is not important and no one is interested, we can take it offline.

Can we please focus on the elephant in the room, and clarifying whether PriveEscorts is a bad or good okt? Based on your replies till now, i believe the 1st point is the only point we havent addressed, i.e. you still refused to tell us why PriveEscorts screamed at you thus offended you. If you weren't at fault, i bet you would hv alr told us the reason and used your real ID when you first flamed PriveEscorts. If you do have pride like you claimed, please let us have the truth why the okt screamed at you.

Focusing only attacking me wouldnt help in addressing your concern of PriveEscort and restore your pride in anyway.

Hi there, not trying to jump into the debate here but just sharing my observation...

I dun think Prive is copying Cityvibe.. In fact I suspect they could be the same OKT based on similar modus operandi (JohnnyE=BullD=Model2Nite=DespoH??=CityV=Lucky9=Pr iveE). Again just my guess only..

Peace out.

I think this thread is just some okt trying to be funny. If a person wants another okt to close shop definitely either another okt trying to be funny or testing the water..

Btw
JohnnyE = Bulldogg = DespoH = CityVibe =?? = ??
Lucky9 = PriveE

If i am not wrong JohnnyE has a few more branding that i cant remember well and people to help him operate and play in the market.

(bossy)
09-09-2014, 01:08 PM
I only know city vibe at clementi,there is one hot ah lian at the empire game shop.