Dishonest agents - sent me the wrong girl (twice) - very interesting.

[BonkHard]

Ok here goes my experience. Not sure how long this thread will last.

Sunday 14th sept:
Messages SevenStar and asked for Karen. At first i received a reply asking time and place etc. Once I gave the details I was told Karen will not be able to come but Cindy (27 Malaysian Chinese $250) is available. I requested to know Cindy, s previous agency and name. I was given the information and so I proceed to confirm my booking. I faintly remember meeting a girl with that name before from that agent but since it was quite some time ago I went ahead.
The girl arrived on time etc and agent communication was all good until the end. The deed was done and we left. I have never seen this FL before.

Tuesday 16 Sept:
Decided i need some action and contacted bro lovelygirls for one of his girls but rejected since I felt she was not my type. Paid her the rejection fees and left. On my way I tot let me try with other agents around. So I contact QueensAffection for Lydia 26 Chinese - 350$. Was told to wait for 30 mins or so which was great. In about 15 mins i was told the girl is about to reach so i proceed to meet her. Meanwhile I asked the agent where she has worked before. He says she worked as JoJo with sexylady. I remember this girl but never tried JoJo before. So why not try her as Lydia now.

While waiting i saw from a distance the same girl Cindy I booked on Sunday. She also saw me and quickly ducked into an alley when i was looking elsewhere. After 3-4 mins she appears again and walks towards me. I was flabbergasted to see the same girl again. Not RTF material and very commercial. Apart from that knew I was blatantly cheated. I told her i don't want her and she asked me to pay her the rejection fees. I.have no issues paying the 50 dollars. But it felt like showing some unhappiness since am getting cheated. So here is how the story unfolds.

The girl quickly shows me a message which she has sent to agent saying that she has met me at Sexylady before. This is to cover up our Sunday meetup so that her current agent does not know she is working with two agencies.

Anyways I paid her the 50 and walked away as it was pointless to argue with her. She just wanted to make sure she gets her 50.

I expressed my displeasure to the agent and he said to me that he had already told me she worked at Sexylady as Jojo and I agreed. At this point i told him that in fact I met her this Sunday as Cindy under Sevenstar. He apologies by saying he dint know she was working with multiple agencies and i then decided to let go this matter.

Later at night I thought I check out the pictures of the two girls Cindy and Lydia posted by the two agents. If they are the same person or not. I was in for a shock. In fact the two girls might be the same or not but I don't really care. But i remember very well that the girl I met on Sunday had a large operation scar on her stomach below the navel. Its about 6 inches long and horizontal and about half a cm thick if not more. The two girls Cindy and Lydia do not have any such scar on their stomach's.
This fact proves that these two agents sent me a part time filler girl instead of the one i had asked and agreed for.
Moreover the agent and the fake girl with scar are in mutual understanding such that the agent lays blame on the girl when a client meets the same girl again like in my case. The agents knew exactly what he was doing. I suspect these agents do this quite often on Sunday's when the local girls do not generally work.

My past experience with agents such as Venus (FHE), Sgbabes, ex-OA etc have been perfect. Never have they sent me someone that i did not ask for. Even FOREVER21 for example was clear about who is available and who is not. If the girl isn't available then she isn't available. But today we see a new breed of agents are full or tricks to make money.

I have no qualms about exposing the agents names. However note that the original girls Cindy and Lydia and more or less innocent parties. Its just that the agents choose to send a backup multi purpose girl as and when they need.

i am sure this has happened to many bro's out here.

[Dedgen]

Later at night I thought I check out the pictures of the two girls Cindy and Lydia posted by the two agents. If they are the same person or not. I was in for a shock. In fact the two girls might be the same or not but I don't really care. But i remember very well that the girl I met on Sunday had a large operation scar on her stomach below the navel. Its about 6 inches long and horizontal and about half a cm thick if not more. The two girls Cindy and Lydia do not have any such scar on their stomach's.
This fact proves that these two agents sent me a part time filler girl instead of the one i had asked.

Bro, I had the same encounter as you. Asked for Lydia, in the end the one with the scar appeared as compared to the pic where "Lydia" has no scar at all and the boobs is less than a "D" . I Didn't pursue the matter as I just wanna get over and done with. Realize when doing the deed, She has limitations. And like a dead fish with lil expression. I guess we just had a bad day..

[cococrunch]

This problem does persist.

However, if the lady is same on both sides. Cindy cost 250 compared to Lydia 350.

:shocked:

[ranger0201]

In this case bro I don't see y we need to pay them rejection fees .. I mean like the girls or agents are the one cheating us and yet we need to pay ??

[refine]

Hi Boys

In my humble opinion, I guess the Gal is working is working for multiple agencies. Sevenstars, QueensAffection and I suspect Elektra as well.

Guess Sevenstars had just deleted Cindy from his stable.

But looking at Queens and Elektra stats. They are pretty close

Queen's Lydia
26 yrs
Chinese
32D/25/34 45kg 165cm
Companion Price: 350 per hr/1

Elektra's Ice (300 /1/1 )
Age: 26
Ethnicity: Asian Chinese
Height: 165 cm
Weight: 46 kg
Vital Statistics: 34C 24 35
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Straight, long and black with shades of colored brown
Complexion: Smooth
Skin tone: Fair
Piercings: Ear lobes
Tattoos: None
Smokes: No

I think OKTs are in the dark. So this probably helps the OKT to be more alert on the gals they recruit in the future. If not, most customers would place the blame on them

refine

[SevenStars]

Hi Boys

In my humble opinion, I guess the Gal is working is working for multiple agencies. Sevenstars, QueensAffection and I suspect Elektra as well.

Guess Sevenstars had just deleted Cindy from his stable.

But looking at Queens and Elektra stats. They are pretty close

Queen's Lydia
26 yrs
Chinese
32D/25/34 45kg 165cm
Companion Price: 350 per hr/1

Elektra's Ice (300 /1/1 )
Age: 26
Ethnicity: Asian Chinese
Height: 165 cm
Weight: 46 kg
Vital Statistics: 34C 24 35
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Straight, long and black with shades of colored brown
Complexion: Smooth
Skin tone: Fair
Piercings: Ear lobes
Tattoos: None
Smokes: No

I think OKTs are in the dark. So this probably helps the OKT to be more alert on the gals they recruit in the future. If not, most customers would place the blame on them

refine



We have deleted her profile not because we've done something wrong as we cheated the client or what. I've texted the client with explanation and awaiting his reply.

We got the truth already of what actually happened and transpired. However, due to business ethics, we decided to let Cindy go and rest this issue.

Besides, ICE like u mentioned IS our CINDY. We just got to know after you mentioned. Check out her right hand scars http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?t=457337 http://www.elektraescorts.com/#!ice/c1761 apart from the pics that is similar, her rates with us is 250 wheras with the other is 300.

Thank You For Your Attention.

[SevenStars]

In this case bro I don't see y we need to pay them rejection fees .. I mean like the girls or agents are the one cheating us and yet we need to pay ??

We would appreciate if you could define CHEATING. Who CHEAT?

I have offered the client a full refund if he likes, if he felt that he has been cheated.

The truth is that he claims, he has never seen Cindy before, so did i cheat?

[SevenStars]

Bro, I had the same encounter as you. Asked for Lydia, in the end the one with the scar appeared as compared to the pic where "Lydia" has no scar at all and the boobs is less than a "D" . I Didn't pursue the matter as I just wanna get over and done with. Realize when doing the deed, She has limitations. And like a dead fish with lil expression. I guess we just had a bad day..

It is obvious, Cindy has a scar on her right hand, while the pics of Lydia doesnt have even her right hand is showing.

So who is right who is wrong? I stated to the client that reason why we kept her right hand away was that her friends may recognize her online. Our previous pics shows her face right up to her nose. How wrong can it get.

We state that she is MY Chinese while some others dont. So if she checked in with her passport, I dont get blasted. She is not new as stated on my previous ad as well, I dont understand the angle of CHEATING then .

Just let the matter pass, and TS if you want to get a refund, just text me and I will gladly do so. Not that i done something wrong, but if you felt you been cheated.

Thank you for your attention.

[batambird]

becoming like in KL? many agents use same girl with different name and price !!

[blackbikini]

Reason is quite simple.There are no genuinely good okts around anymore given the high cuts from the girls rate.The girls cant get enough customers from her okt hence need to spread out their wings under different okts thereby widening their chances of getting customers{same scenario like the prc market)

Another reason could be the lack of quality of the fls.No rtf custs and no good reviews and chances are they lack of customers.

This forum starting to get messy now.Supposedly to be locals only but now we got Asian chinese,viets,indonesians etc etc.Market must be very very tough for the okts now I am guessing.

[ranger0201]

We would appreciate if you could define CHEATING. Who CHEAT?

I have offered the client a full refund if he likes, if he felt that he has been cheated.

The truth is that he claims, he has never seen Cindy before, so did i cheat?

Bro this statement is not In reference to you or any others .. This is I reference to the rejection fee that the bro had to pay ..

[SevenStars]

In this case bro I don't see y we need to pay them rejection fees .. I mean like the girls or agents are the one cheating us and yet we need to pay ??

Who is cheating? Me? Girls? Who?

Bro this statement is not In reference to you or any others .. This is I reference to the rejection fee that the bro had to pay ..

The complain of paying rejection fee wasnt directed at me, because my deal went thru without rejections. So who are you talking about that TS paid rejections fee for? If not me, then who?

If there is something you like to say, please be specific.

Thank You

[BonkHard]

In response,

Both agents have contacted me to clarify the situation, however to make things clear:

SevenStar-
Claims the Cindy is indeed the girl I received. The facial features of the girl I saw resembles to a large extent. But the scar on the stomach isn't seen on the picture. Perhaps the lingerie is covering the scar. However, I was skeptical and asked the girl her age. Cindy said she was 25, while the post says 27. So in response she says she preferred to specify 27 instead of 25 to the agent. Not gonna buy that BS though.

Lets say the girl sent to me was indeed Cindy, and I was charged 250$ for 27yr old M'sian Chinese who claims to be 27 when she is in real only 25. Looked cute and petite albeit she was as good as a dead fish on the bed. The fake moaning or wailing was non-stop irrespective of me touching her or not. Lots of this cannot that cannot. I was also told that she was working as Lynn with SGBabes in the past. Anyways, lets give the benefit of doubt to 7Stars, but without ruling out the fact that this girl is also working elsewhere (other than for QA for once perhaps) under a different name or not. I did not reject the girl and proceeded as agreed. There is no question of me asking for a refund here.

My only concern at the time of starting this thread >> Is this girl really Cindy as advertised or not. The girl i met has a scar below her navel + and strange distorted looking 3 tipped triangular spear of some sort on her right hand.

QueensAffection-
Contacts me to inform that the girl sent to me is indeed Lydia and mentions that the scar on the tummy is not captured by the photographer due to some reason and so on. I don't believe this one bit but I leave it at that.

The people who are affected due to this unnecessary saga are the other girls working under these agents and to some extent the agents themselves. The real girls are here for a reason and so there is no point pursuing this.

Another point to note is the fact that this part timer girl is not carrying a valid work permit in Singapore, nor is she a PR. Her entry into Singapore is solely for visiting which means she is not entitled to work here. Now this is dangerous for all parties involved. In case there is a AV raid the customer will also be in trouble. So why are agents entertaining such a situation.? Correct me if am wrong here.

Secondly, this girl is here to earn money, and so is everyone else out there, nothing wrong with that. However for this girl, getting rejected by a client is no big deal, as long as the $50 has been received. That is exactly how I was treated and I felt the agent let this happen, hence my long post. I was distastefully told to pay $50 even though she understood that she is in the wrong. Whether the agent (QA) has a hand in this is another matter.

PS: I am not interested in getting back any rejection fees nor the refund. Lets just say the agents here get honest going forward :roll eyes:

Good luck to all the Samsters out there…:p Be good.

[BonkHard]

My thanks to the bro's who have read this post, commented here, and those who upp'd me today.
Again, lets not make miserable the lives of those girls under these agents. These things happen, but I felt its good to share my experience just to ensure these happenings do not go un-noticed.

In the hope of putting things in the right track. :D

[SevenStars]

In response,

Both agents have contacted me to clarify the situation, however to make things clear:

SevenStar-
Claims the Cindy is indeed the girl I received. The facial features of the girl I saw resembles to a large extent. But the scar on the stomach isn't seen on the picture. Perhaps the lingerie is covering the scar. However, I was skeptical and asked the girl her age. Cindy said she was 25, while the post says 27. So in response she says she preferred to specify 27 instead of 25 to the agent. Not gonna buy that BS though.

Lets say the girl sent to me was indeed Cindy, and I was charged 250$ for 27yr old M'sian Chinese who claims to be 27 when she is in real only 25. Looked cute and petite albeit she was as good as a dead fish on the bed. The fake moaning or wailing was non-stop irrespective of me touching her or not. Lots of this cannot that cannot. I was also told that she was working as Lynn with SGBabes in the past. Anyways, lets give the benefit of doubt to 7Stars, but without ruling out the fact that this girl is also working elsewhere (other than for QA for once perhaps) under a different name or not. I did not reject the girl and proceeded as agreed. There is no question of me asking for a refund here.

My only concern at the time of starting this thread >> Is this girl really Cindy as advertised or not. The girl i met has a scar below her navel + and strange distorted looking 3 tipped triangular spear of some sort on her right hand.

QueensAffection-
Contacts me to inform that the girl sent to me is indeed Lydia and mentions that the scar on the tummy is not captured by the photographer due to some reason and so on. I don't believe this one bit but I leave it at that.

The people who are affected due to this unnecessary saga are the other girls working under these agents and to some extent the agents themselves. The real girls are here for a reason and so there is no point pursuing this.

Another point to note is the fact that this part timer girl is not carrying a valid work permit in Singapore, nor is she a PR. Her entry into Singapore is solely for visiting which means she is not entitled to work here. Now this is dangerous for all parties involved. In case there is a AV raid the customer will also be in trouble. So why are agents entertaining such a situation.? Correct me if am wrong here.

Secondly, this girl is here to earn money, and so is everyone else out there, nothing wrong with that. However for this girl, getting rejected by a client is no big deal, as long as the $50 has been received. That is exactly how I was treated and I felt the agent let this happen, hence my long post. I was distastefully told to pay $50 even though she understood that she is in the wrong. Whether the agent (QA) has a hand in this is another matter.

PS: I am not interested in getting back any rejection fees nor the refund. Lets just say the agents here get honest going forward :roll eyes:

Good luck to all the Samsters out there…:p Be good.

Let's visit some points.

1. We indeed sent Cindy no questions bout it. Photo wise below navel probably covered, why? Maybe the pictures missed it while i am taking them, personally I DON'T FUCK MY GIRLS, so I wont know what they do and what they dont. You are right on her scar on her RIGHT hand. That is why i do not take pics showing her right hand so as to prevent her friends or whosoever recognizing.

2. The other agent claims they sent the correct lady. Look at the pics again. LYDIA pics clearly shown her right hand without the triangular scar. Who is being truthful here? It is just so simple fact. ICE (like another bro has mentioned which is similar after we looked at the pics )from another agent http://www.sammyboyforum.com/showthread.php?t=457337 pics has the scar on her right hand also. Clearly, someone is lying.

3. Just FYI, even she holds a Valid working permit she is still illegal to moonlight. A malaysian (which we already claimed) can be your GF or Fling or ONS correct, you are right in the infringement part. I dont think you need to seek for approval should you wanna go to a hotel with your Fling FB or ONS right? Less the monetary rewards. We stated clearly she is MY Chinese.

Lastly, had it been the same lady or if it was the same as the other agent claimed, her rates with me is 250 and the other at 350, no one had qualms? I am very open to clarify issues directly online should it be regarding my integrity. My girls if on red mean on red and no updates, if not available means not available, I dont send replacement or stand-ins.

Thank You

[LimLin]

Ok here goes my experience. Not sure how long this thread will last.


Later at night I thought I check out the pictures of the two girls Cindy and Lydia posted by the two agents. If they are the same person or not. I was in for a shock. In fact the two girls might be the same or not but I don't really care. But i remember very well that the girl I met on Sunday had a large operation scar on her stomach below the navel. Its about 6 inches long and horizontal and about half a cm thick if not more. The two girls Cindy and Lydia do not have any such scar on their stomach's.



is the girl local? i just met up a girl on Fiday and also had a operation scar on her stomach below the navel. the girl i met is mongolian. she checked in with me and i saw her ID (some foreign pass-never see clearly was it EP, SP or WP) it was mongolian. we can talk through PMs

[leelu717]

I think same girl work with different agent cannot control one, anyway we also cannot control.
But I think so that even some agent here are the same but use different name and then set different price for same girl.
Anyway think this is call marketing and I also don't mind so much.

What I cannot stand is the agent put and modify the photo and wrong wordings. I try once saying fair skin milf early 30, then I get one maybe late 30 but that I cannot know so sure, what is very sure is the one I get have very rough skin on face and for sure not fair skin, see already also sian half then I reject for wasting 50. Then I SMS agent say how can then agent very reply back.

So now I go shop and can see first, no need to pay reject money.

[andytan88]

In response,

Both agents have contacted me to clarify the situation, however to make things clear:

SevenStar-
Claims the Cindy is indeed the girl I received. The facial features of the girl I saw resembles to a large extent. But the scar on the stomach isn't seen on the picture. Perhaps the lingerie is covering the scar. However, I was skeptical and asked the girl her age. Cindy said she was 25, while the post says 27. So in response she says she preferred to specify 27 instead of 25 to the agent. Not gonna buy that BS though.

Lets say the girl sent to me was indeed Cindy, and I was charged 250$ for 27yr old M'sian Chinese who claims to be 27 when she is in real only 25. Looked cute and petite albeit she was as good as a dead fish on the bed. The fake moaning or wailing was non-stop irrespective of me touching her or not. Lots of this cannot that cannot. I was also told that she was working as Lynn with SGBabes in the past. Anyways, lets give the benefit of doubt to 7Stars, but without ruling out the fact that this girl is also working elsewhere (other than for QA for once perhaps) under a different name or not. I did not reject the girl and proceeded as agreed. There is no question of me asking for a refund here.

My only concern at the time of starting this thread >> Is this girl really Cindy as advertised or not. The girl i met has a scar below her navel + and strange distorted looking 3 tipped triangular spear of some sort on her right hand.

QueensAffection-
Contacts me to inform that the girl sent to me is indeed Lydia and mentions that the scar on the tummy is not captured by the photographer due to some reason and so on. I don't believe this one bit but I leave it at that.

The people who are affected due to this unnecessary saga are the other girls working under these agents and to some extent the agents themselves. The real girls are here for a reason and so there is no point pursuing this.

Another point to note is the fact that this part timer girl is not carrying a valid work permit in Singapore, nor is she a PR. Her entry into Singapore is solely for visiting which means she is not entitled to work here. Now this is dangerous for all parties involved. In case there is a AV raid the customer will also be in trouble. So why are agents entertaining such a situation.? Correct me if am wrong here.

Secondly, this girl is here to earn money, and so is everyone else out there, nothing wrong with that. However for this girl, getting rejected by a client is no big deal, as long as the $50 has been received. That is exactly how I was treated and I felt the agent let this happen, hence my long post. I was distastefully told to pay $50 even though she understood that she is in the wrong. Whether the agent (QA) has a hand in this is another matter.

PS: I am not interested in getting back any rejection fees nor the refund. Lets just say the agents here get honest going forward :roll eyes:

Good luck to all the Samsters out there…:p Be good.

After reading TS's stories, I guess the stories have no bearing with the title of the thread? Sending a different girl from the photo has different meaning from sending a wrong girl. The latter implies the agents made a careless mistake whereas the former implies deliberate cheating. I was confused for a while after reading the stories.

Anyway, I have different view from TS of what constitute dishonesty. Judging from TS' stories alone, it seems like SevenStar has everything it takes to be a good and honest agent according to my criteria. What is important to me is the agent is honest about the nationality and the previous FL experience of their girls. Nationality is important to me because I would not pay more than $200 for a non-local. Previous FL experience is important because I dont want to bump into someone i have already met and pay for the rejection fee. It seems like SevenStar has met all my criteria of a good agent.

Photo-wise is not so important to me if the photo does not show partial of the girls' face. I am not into big/small boobs nor big/solid butts, what i care is the look of the girls and their size is less than chubby. Depending on the angle the photo being taken or skill of the photographer, the body that we see from the photo most of the time can be very misleading. I never trust the body photo to begin with, and never rely on it to make any decision. Photo with partial of the face revealed is a totally different story though, and it is very important to me. As per TS, " The facial features of the girl I saw resembles to a large extent", I think this is what matters the most to judge whether the agents are honest or not. Scars/stretch marks/ tattoos are not so important. Nowadays is quite common for agents to photoshop the scars/tattoos away in order to protect the identity of their girls. I couldn't care less if the photo does not show scars/stretch marks/ tattoos.

Age-wise i also couldn't care less as long is the agents do not understate the girls' age by more than 3 years. It is again very common for agents not to reveal the real age of their girls openly to protect their identity. Since TS mentioned that SevenStar overstated Cindy's age by 2 years, I dont think this is an issue at all. Shouldn't our concern be understatement of the girls' age instead?Who wants to bonk a older girl instead of younger girl?

Any you were told that Cindy/Lydia used to work for Sgbabes under the nick Lynn? You were told by whom? As far as I remember, Lynn from Sgbabes is a rather short local Chinese with short hair, and Cindy/Lydia is about 165cm? And I remember Sbgabes confirmed to me that Lynn was a local Chinese (or else I would not be interested to enquire). Unless I remember wrongly, or else I dont think they are the same girl.

[willy12pee]

It seem like this is the tactics that was being used now, because where to find so many gals to be FL.

[willy12pee]

Gone will those days of reliable OKTs.

[izerkudie]

There is still good one around. We know the good and the bad, thanks for the info :D

[cacophonous]

Bro, dealing with u has always been a pleasure.
We even chit chat sometimes and i did mentioned to u before about avoiding some things ;)
I just hope you get your justice ..cheers bro, anything drop me a SMS or whatsapp