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shysaint 06-10-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SingViet (Post 6418153)
not as simple as what you put it. when the marriage date is later than the child's birth date, it is going to bring him great problems at ICA when applying for child's SC. ICA will need him to prove relationship even though his name is already in the child's birth cert.

Yes , I agree that it is not that simple as there is Nothing in the world is as simple as we thought ...

Under the application, If we can apply for SC for child who is adopted by our spouse ... I believe it is not as complicated ... I believe there will be some obstacles / problems but NOT to an extent of 'great problems' ...

If I am NOT wrong (PLease correct me), I think the mother of the adopted child who is the wife of an SC can even apply for Baby Bonus ...

I cannot not agree because you are a far more experienced BRO than me ;)

But then sometimes it is also not as complicated and difficult as we thought so ...

Not matter how, married with name in birth cert is definitely AN ADVANTAGE under this circumstances ...

SingViet 06-10-2011 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shysaint (Post 6419646)
Yes , I agree that it is not that simple as there is Nothing in the world is as simple as we thought ...

Under the application, If we can apply for SC for child who is adopted by our spouse ... I believe it is not as complicated ... I believe there will be some obstacles / problems but NOT to an extent of 'great problems' ...

If I am NOT wrong (PLease correct me), I think the mother of the adopted child who is the wife of an SC can even apply for Baby Bonus ...

I cannot not agree because you are a far more experienced BRO than me ;)

But then sometimes it is also not as complicated and difficult as we thought so ...

Not matter how, married with name in birth cert is definitely AN ADVANTAGE under this circumstances ...

i have personally gone thru this, it brought me damm a lot of problems at ICA and its surely not as easy as what you put it to be. :D

Schenker 07-10-2011 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TT@N (Post 6400260)
Hi Bros,

I really need some help....

I just have a newborn baby in Vietnam with my Vietnamese "wife" - We are not officially married.

Now, I need to apply Singapore citizenship for my baby. I have checked with ICA and they says that I need to get married first with my "wife" and also need to produce the brith certificate of the baby indicating I am the father.

However, the hospital which issue the birth certficate did not indicate my name. Problem....:(

Any bros have such problem and solution, I would greatly appreciate for some advice. Thank you.



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Originally Posted by SingViet (Post 6407390)
Firstly, if you and your gf are not officially married, the child's birth certificate will not have your name. Without your name in the birth cert, you can forget about getting citizenship for your child. In order for you to insert your name in the child's birth cert, you need to marry your gf first. After marrying her, you need to make a declaration that the child is your's. Upon which, you can apply to `adopt' the child under yr surname. But this is at the vietnam side.

At singapore side, you will face even greater challange. As the date of your marriage certificate is later than the birth date of your child, you need `proof' that the child is really yours. I shan't make it so clear as to how you can proof the blood relationship. When proven, ICA will consider your application for your child to be Singapore citizenship. But let me tell you first, there are many singaporean man with the same situation as yours and even with proof, ICA still didn't grant their child citizenship. You should be strong in your education level and financial stability.

Hi TT@N, you are definitely facing a tricky and difficult road ahead.

http://imagefrost.com/i/QyG.jpg

Click here for the detailed annex from ICA.

From the A

shysaint 07-10-2011 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Schenker (Post 6423709)
Hi TT@N, you are definitely facing a tricky and difficult road ahead.

http://imagefrost.com/i/QyG.jpg

Click here for the detailed annex from ICA.

From the A

Bro Schenker ...

Nice work :)

Schenker 07-10-2011 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Schenker (Post 6423709)
Hi TT@N, you are definitely facing a tricky and difficult road ahead.

http://imagefrost.com/i/QyG.jpg

Click here for the detailed annex from ICA.

How come my lengthy post didn't show up? :confused:

To cut short...

Under the Article 122(1) of the singapore constitution, you did not fulfill the requirements of 1, 2 & 5.

As Bro Singviet has sum up in whole, and fortunately you have 12 months with the birth of your child to submit the requirement documents to ICA for the application of the child citizenship.

You may want to consult the Consulate-General of Singapore in Ho Chi Minh City, to discuss with them whether your problem is within MHA's area of assistance or not.

I relate one case to you. My colleague married a filipina wife in philippines. They had a baby girl in philippines. He took almost two years to complete the formalities for his daughter citizenship. He made multiple trips to ICA, numerous official translations for the documents, made statutory declarations, and obtained a DNA report from HSA to proof their paternal relationship. Understand from him, he has also seek help from Singapore Embassy in Philippines.

Time is running up as it passes by. Please follow up without any delay.

I wish you well. :)

lasupkia 09-10-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Schenker (Post 6423709)
Hi TT@N, you are definitely facing a tricky and difficult road ahead.

http://imagefrost.com/i/QyG.jpg

Click here for the detailed annex from ICA.

From the A

The problem for TS is this condition "at the time of minor's birth". The baby already born before they get married so this is more tricky. First matter to solve is to get your name into the birth cert as the father. I heard from a friend that the mother of the child can do this by making a declaration at Su Thu Phap, 141 Pastuer Street, HCM that you are the father. Documents needed are her ID, letter from the hospital of birth, your passport and both of u need to be present to make the declaration. This is for cases that the couple are not married yet.
Anyway, you should go to the office there to find out more details.

Because you dilly dally until the child is born before you take action, so now the process is much more complicated. Pls post your updates on this so other bros can learn from your experience.

TT@N 21-12-2011 01:41 PM

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Hi Bros,

Finally, I got married in Singapore after all the waiting. Now, I will have to proceed to the next step.

My next headache is my wife is not from HCM. She is from Hai Duong in the North.

We went to Su Thu Phap to enquire and they mentioned that all the paper work need to be done in her hometown. Even registering my baby name although she is born in HCM. OMG............

Now priority is to get my name in the birth cert first. Tired........

shysaint 21-12-2011 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TT@N (Post 6699800)
Hi Bros,

Finally, I got married in Singapore after all the waiting. Now, I will have to proceed to the next step.

My next headache is my wife is not from HCM. She is from Hai Duong in the North.

We went to Su Thu Phap to enquire and they mentioned that all the paper work need to be done in her hometown. Even registering my baby name although she is born in HCM. OMG............

Now priority is to get my name in the birth cert first. Tired........

COngrats .. COngrats ....

YEs ... U cannot do in HCMC unless your wife address is registered in HCMC ... else she has to do it at where she resides and address registered ...

Vn is different .. Hospital in Vn DO NOT perform the registration part ... they only issued live birth letter .. and u have to bring this letter to register at their STP ...

holein1 21-12-2011 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by goodpartner (Post 6407404)
Hmm.... So TS need to "back-date" the marriage cert (before the baby's birthday) in Vietnam for better chance. At least with some $$$, this can be done over there, I presume.

What is the deadline to register the kid in Singapore if all else is OK? Is it within 1 year of the baby's age? Or before 18yo? I know we can change the name of baby within 1 year of birth registration, the 18yo thingy is for NS stuffs (I think) what about citizenship registration?

bro, the 18yo thingy is misleading. assuming your kid is a boy, if you wait until 18yo, i think it's too late for him to renounce his citizenship, though it's temp. one. in fact, if one has a baby boy and has already done this registration part, i think it's too late to give it up now.

shysaint 21-12-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by holein1 (Post 6700510)
bro, the 18yo thingy is misleading. assuming your kid is a boy, if you wait until 18yo, i think it's too late for him to renounce his citizenship, though it's temp. one. in fact, if one has a baby boy and has already done this registration part, i think it's too late to give it up now.

now no longer 18 yrs ... now the term was 21 yrs ... he/she has 21 yrs to made a decision to be a singaporean ... if he/she choose to renounce ... he/she has to return the citizenship certificate 1 day before the expiry of the 21 yrs ... likewise for the opposite ...

holein1 21-12-2011 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shysaint (Post 6700577)
now no longer 18 yrs ... now the term was 21 yrs ... he/she has 21 yrs to made a decision to be a singaporean ... if he/she choose to renounce ... he/she has to return the citizenship certificate 1 day before the expiry of the 21 yrs ... likewise for the opposite ...

that's what i am referring to bro saint. i heard that once you got that temp cert, you can forget about renouncing it. they won't let you, esp. if your kid is a boy, no matter what they say inside those documents that you and me receive.

chutiya 08-02-2012 12:17 PM

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Bro,

Bo pian lor...one problem at a time

Quote:

Originally Posted by TT@N (Post 6699800)
Hi Bros,

Finally, I got married in Singapore after all the waiting. Now, I will have to proceed to the next step.

My next headache is my wife is not from HCM. She is from Hai Duong in the North.

We went to Su Thu Phap to enquire and they mentioned that all the paper work need to be done in her hometown. Even registering my baby name although she is born in HCM. OMG............

Now priority is to get my name in the birth cert first. Tired........


Greatking 10-02-2012 02:15 PM

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Its much easier in Vietnam side... much tougher in Singapore side.... :(

Khun_Thai_Jedi 17-02-2012 09:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TT@N (Post 6400260)
Hi Bros,

I really need some help....

I just have a newborn baby in Vietnam with my Vietnamese "wife" - We are not officially married.

Now, I need to apply Singapore citizenship for my baby. I have checked with ICA and they says that I need to get married first with my "wife" and also need to produce the brith certificate of the baby indicating I am the father.

However, the hospital which issue the birth certficate did not indicate my name. Problem....:(

Any bros have such problem and solution, I would greatly appreciate for some advice. Thank you.

sharing with you my case 3 years ago. My then prc gf which is my wife now gave birth to my son in guangzhou and we were not marry at that time as i going thru a divorce. After consulting ICA, they require us to be legally marry before they could do anything. Finally we got marry when my boy was 8 months old. After a very tedious process which make me visit ICA for 5 times, I manage to land my son citizenship when he is 16 months old. I have problem with the china birth cert too bcos I was not of chinese origin and my name has 18 alphabets and was too long for the chinese birth cert so the hospital in GZ delete my middle name from my son birth cert. because of this I was grill badly by ICA and in the end was make to write a formal letter to explain.


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