Re: KTV Kakis
 

As i have stated, it might be a hearsay.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

So if join and pay the session for Martell and the drink not finished. What happened to the balance :confused:

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Even its a flat fee at times when you divide per pax at the end of the session, it would be below the per pax fee. You should reimburse back the fee that the bros paid initially .

Best is at the end of the session, show the final receipt to everyone. Then add waiter tips, and mummy tips then divide by the no of bros who attend the session. If the average falls below the amount of what bros paid initially, u should reimburse. E.g before session start you ask the bros put "deposit" of $110. End of session after calculation and dividing, it is $95 per pax exactly. U should reimburse back the $15 to each of the bros. I dont care if we are calculative or what. Transparency works best here and money is still money.

Do not profit from the bros money here please. This is not your father's ktv i warned you

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Thats why i told u this shioking is a cb kia. He should provide refund if the initial money deposit falls below the average fee at the end of the session. Thats why i avoid joining him. To all the bros who have been joining his session pls be aware

Re: KTV Kakis
 

just my thought, if organizer asked for upfront fees and at the end of the happy hour, there is excess of $10-$15... i think it's ok bacause as organizer, the guy is taking a lot of risk... when people run off something like that, he got to cover... Unless the people going are friends who have known each other for a few years, then it's not right...

Re: KTV Kakis
 

I've gone for shioking sessions a few times, actually got no overcharge leh, after I calculate it's very fairly priced. I'm always solo flyer so if I ownself go will cost more. Plus his reco always good, if I have more time and budget I would join him more often.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

thx for the fair view. those who say if got excess should refund then if shortfall i get extra from everyone? if people run i get from other participants? not fair n troublesome in my view so i do flatfee. those who insist on splitting dun need to join me n also dun need to flame me

Re: KTV Kakis
 

You dont talk cock here. If $15 per bro he didnt refund, 4 bros alrd $60. Means he 'profit' $60 from the bros money. What risk u talking abt. It was his choice to organise what. Scared risky dont organise lor. If he really got balls end of session show all the bros final bill receipt plus waiters plus mummy tip and divide accordingly. Then reimburse on the spot before the bros go back home if initial 'deposit' amt is more than actual divided spending.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

If u seriously calculate and got shortfall then jollywell ask from the bros lah. I alrd said transparency. Means u show all the brothers here the receipt and u calculate in front of their eyes. Like dont also dun understand?

Re: KTV Kakis
 

i also told u multiple times there r split options n flat fees options. eveyone has their own choice which one they prefer. u do not need to force your views on everyone. Like dont also dun understand?

Re: KTV Kakis
 

haha... I'm not talking cock..... try organizing a KTV session and you will understand what I mean....

if an organizer organize a ktv session and let's say, he want upfront $110 from a person, you decide whether it is worth it or not? if you think the organizer will make $15 from each person and you feel pissed that he makes the $15 or not showing you the receipt, then don't join... The organizer has no obligation to anybody for arranging a session....

** I'm not trying to side with anybody.... but these type of concern happens since long time ago...
** also, if the drink that is not finished, it will be under the organizer name. For those who don't drink, too bad. For those who can drink but cannot finshed, also too bad. What i'm afraid is everybody can drink and no more liquor, who is going to fork out the extra for the drink?

Re: KTV Kakis
 

How to calculate? HH $190, SH/LH also $190.
I thought HH will be cheaper.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Thats why I am raising awareness for bros who want to join shioking first time, pls note there is no refund per say. Scared later they join and hope got refund but didnt get end up disappointed. If everyone can drink then nobody want to fork out extra then end the session lah u idiot, since nobody else wants to pay. Why issit hard to make it transparent? Like u go out eat with friends u split and pay for ur own share what. U dun split equally and ur friend who eat the most expensive meal pay same as u.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Objective view here

he is organizing on behalf and taking the risk. Maybe he is charging a “service fee” for organizing, but don’t you pay an extra for grab food too?

these are not your friends. If you are so worried that someone will rip you off, just go alone or only with your close friends lah

Sibei cheapo only want the pros but not the cons

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Lol why u negative points? Ur opinions all sucky issit. Yes i am raising awareness dont join shioking if scared "overpay". Dun compare to grab. Grab is a middle service provider where u can choose to engage it or buy food from the shop itself. Shioking should not "profit" from other bros here. If end of session all really swee swee he should reimburse back since there is no risk alrd (all paid their part). I dun want the other bros to be cheated their money. If risk is alrd over and zero, since all alrd paid, if got excess he should reimburse back.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Why would anyone expect or hope got refund when my posts state clearly its flat fee and no mention of any refund or any top up needed whether there is shortfall or excess？Its simple comprehension yet u want to kepp yapping on it for years. all here are adults. whether want to join split bill outings or flat fee outings its their own choice. no one is forcing u so u dont need to keep harping on it and forcing your views on me or others

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Maybe you can state your flat rate? Because from what i know you charge 120-150 per pax to join your outing

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Bro, pls read my post. Clause 1 stated exactly. Thats why I said mine is very clear and transparent already, everything in black and white but some people MUST insist in their own way of how things work and their own definition of transparency

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Club neon anyone?

Re: KTV Kakis
 

What is the issue here? Organiser inflating the price is normal. The only issue is that they inflat by 30-50 bucks per pax which is unethical.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Probably you All should go for solo session or maybe organise a session, then you’ll know how much $ you have to pay for the beer, mummy&waiter tips, other than that, not happy just don’t join, nobody force to to join & get overcharged by the organiser :D:D

Re: KTV Kakis
 

I would see Shioking organising session as a way for him to make money or at least subsidize his own session. If it is commercial activity, i would suggest that Shioking be upfront on that. This is because those who join organised session are more likely to be price sensitive.

Those who know the price well will know that his price per pax is on the high side and not those rounding up sum. I would estimate around $20 - $70 per pax profit for Shioking depending on the consumption and he get to keep the bottle which can be used for the next round. Could be even higher if he have some sort of kickback arrangement from the bill.

Of course, he might lose money too if he encounter someone who just keep whacking his bottles.. In that case, that guy might not be able to go for future "flat fee" session with him as he might get banned...

That is probably the reason why there are allegation of Shioking "overcharging". It is highly likely it is a commercial activity which earn money for him.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

His sessions suitable for newbies who dunno the pricing. Ktv regulars would either run far away or dumb enough to sponsor his share. :D

Re: KTV Kakis
 

I feel like giving 1000 likes for this post but the system wont allow :D

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Thats why I want to raise to all the newbies here to be careful and him or those who regularly join him w/o knowing they are being "chop".

Re: KTV Kakis
 

Transparent your head lah. You are profiting from all the bros here. Like I say earlier if really transparent u should reimburse back all the bros here if their initial deposit is more than the actual spending after the end of the session. Bloody take out the final bill receipt and show everyone. From that price, add mummy tip and waiter tips. Then divide by the no of bros who attend. Assuming each bros put initial deposit of $110, at the end of the session final calculation each pax is $95, you should refund $15 to each bros before they leave the ktv joint. To those idiots saying that we are cheapskates please get a life. This means you profit $60 assuming got 4 bros who joined and its fucking unethical.

Re: KTV Kakis
 

i fucking agree..... :D
those wanna cheong one, pm me i go organise..
split fairly.. ktv/siamdiu also can .. tho siamdiu is stupid and no longer fun

Re: KTV Kakis
 

150 per pax hh for beer I rather solo and order 1 tower. All in price almost the same. If you look at his pricing, no difference between hh and sh pricing so it's obvious what he's up to. :D

Re: KTV Kakis
 

any bros can recommend a good solo playground for hh? better yet if you can pm mami contact..

Re: KTV Kakis
 

I have been to afew outings. Anyone has any idea how much is shioking charging or what is a normal rate? I have always been to overseas ktv so lost touch on the playground here.