Originally Posted by PaulPogba (Post 20952200)

Still blame the owners when owners spent huge amount of money to sign expensive players.

Think MU fans are hard to please. Go look at SAF reign and you understand SAF do not sign most expensive players. In fact SAF developed academy players and made them big stars.

Nevile bros, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, etc were academy products.

Blended with Cantona, Cole, Ole, Yorke, etc etc then became successful.

I will say the fans need to reflect that the glorified days were long over and period of mourning for past few years. Need to wait for a correct Manager who had similar to SAF philosophy to turn this club around.

Look at the current tables and the team leading the tables had their academy churning great youngsters.

Buying stars will expect immediate impact but academy will be your club future.

Originally Posted by sc slayer (Post 20951810)

Where to go from here is to appoint Ralf Ragnick as interim manager. He can sort the mess out...german efficiency.

If Zidane comes then what...stay for 2 seasons and then resign to coach the French national team?

Ten Hag is in comfort zone at Ajax. Why would he want to come and sort out the mess at Utd? He will be jobless again at United if things don't go well.

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose (Post 20950970)

this will be a rambling post, so bros bear with me, paiseh... :o

let me start by stating that in terms of tactics/strategy, mourinho (& co) was a B when at man u, while OGS (& co) has been a D. no doubt, mourinho was an A when at his peak (porto, chelsea, inter), u see the way his players go about the games, clinical, surgical, professional and well-drilled. so what happened at man u? my theory is that while the squad was well drilled, he wasn't able to motivate and bring the best out of some players towards the end and the environment became toxic, his methods don't work anymore so he had to go. in came OGS, as caretaker role, to change the mood and morale. by doing so, man u went on an incredible run to win 14 of the 19 matches during OGS interim period. basically OGS reaped the benefits of mourinho's work and everybody got giddy and he was made permanent manager

i believe this high lasted until the 20/21 season, as OGS&co continued to use mourinho's tactics so as not to rock the boat too much and also slowly introduced their tactics/strategies. we got to watch man u score a lightning quick counterattack goal in one match and frustratingly clueless in another. the problems have been there for a long time now but the coaching team cannot solve them after 3 years? this tells me that the coaching team are weak in tactics/strategy (weaker than mourinho's staff by a big margin). the current situation is similar to that of moyes' term, moyes brought in his own guys and tried to implement his philosophy/ideas, but results didn't go his way. seems like this season a switch turned off in the players and they can't seem to play to instructions, if there are any; looks like the players lost faith in OGS&co and can't be bothered anymore, seems like time is up for OGS&co

what next?

the new manager: if OGS is let go, who to bring in? i think the next candidate has to be a top tactician, disciplinarian and motivator, same for his coaching team as they are there to execute his philosophy. the new manager must also bring in a scout to scout the opposition thoroughly so that a plan can be formulated accordingly

the squad: needs another overhaul and clear-out. underperforming players who are on fat contracts - out. players who are slow - out. players who have low work rate - out. players who are often outmuscled - out. players who lack the correct mentality/attitude towards football profession - out.

ownership: must change hands but won't happen, the glazers won't sell unless there is a handsome profit to be made. who has that kind of money? russian oligarch? oil rich sheik? billionaire chinese businessman?

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose (Post 20951309)

from a supporter's pov, man u is just a cash cow to the glazers, thats all, the glazers bought the club because its a proven footballing and business/commercial success. its plausible that the glazers imposed an "american sports" style of salary cap on the squad since SAF time, which was likely why fergie wasn't able to properly reinforce the midfield after the departure of keane. fergie was able to sign hargreaves but he spent alot of time injured. the presence of star players (and huge chunks in the wage bill) in the squad meant that there was little quota left to sign a quality DMC

mourinho also took to the media to kpkb about lack of support from the owners to sign quality players, i think he was really frustrated to have done that, but it didn't go down well with the mgt. since fergie retired, one KPI for the subsequent managers is to qualify for UCL, because UCL means more money. it was reported that the glazers spent more money to sign players to qualify for UCL; and when the club did, the glazers tightened the purse strings. they got their priorities wrong by prioritizing commercial success over footballing success and appointing woodward, who isn't from the football industry, and milking as much cash as possible because the man u brand & players are recognisable the world over

for a big club, the standards have gone down as OGS was rewarded with a new 3 yr contract, but the fact is he has won nothing. when a manager fail to achieve footballing success and still get a new contract, what are the club ambitions exactly? to only finish top 4 and play in UCL next season? to secure as many sponsors as possible? to sell as many jerseys as possible? to sell as many tickets as possible? the supporters are mini cash cows held captive because we continue to buy tickets to watch the team play and spend money on jerseys

splashing the cash on top players but OGS needs to know how to utilise them, signing sancho but played him out of position? its baffling that VDB was signed but OGS barely gave him game time. and for varane, its pure bad luck and timing that he suffered injuries in quick succession. man u also signed flops before, hence the top mgt guy has to be from the football industry, with the knowledge and experience to execute the transfer strategy properly, not sign any top player just to keep the cash registers ringing

the sad fact is that as long as the owners are the glazers, we will continue to witness the club spending big but underachieve. pool, city and chelsea are recent success stories and the mgt should be emulating their blueprints, but i really doubt the glazers will put in the effort

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose (Post 20951646)

now that the axe has fallen, need to clear away the remnants as well. sorry to say its ruthless but rebooting means a clean slate: clear out all coaching staff appointed during OGS term, carrick and fletcher included. carrick cannot stay on as coaching staff once a permanent manager is appointed

it was reported that mckenna played a big part in training, selection and team talks, and he is inexperienced and tactically inept to solve the attacking and defensive issues that has plagued man u since OGS came on board. 3 years have passed and the issues are still there? why hasn't mckenna found a solution to counter opponent high press or parking of bus? 3 years is more than enough time to formulate a tactic, right? the young coaches' methods doesn't work but OGS isn't ruthless enough to let them go and find replacements

Originally Posted by asiancigar (Post 20952079)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-10071110.html

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...npings-passion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c53WNFzgBgs

Originally Posted by sc slayer (Post 20955022)

Latest...Villareal vs Utd

Line-up

De Gea, AWB, Lindelof, Maguire,Telles, Fred, McTominay, VDB, Sancho, Martial, Ronaldo

Originally Posted by asiancigar (Post 20955090)

Am afraid it will be Villareal's game to lose..

Villareal 2 - United 1

Both will qualify because Young Boys and Atalanta will end up a Draw game.

Originally Posted by Rickey (Post 20955146)

1/2 time... 0-0...commentator says God son martial was anonymous during the 1st half :(

Originally Posted by asiancigar (Post 20955162)

Martial is simply nonsense....... Fred's twin brother played so well :D

Bravo CR7 ...... :p

Am so happy for Jadon Sancho who get his name on the score sheet. :cool:

Originally Posted by Rickey (Post 20955164)

Final score ...Man U 2... Villarreal 0

1st win under caretaker manager Carrick..it was a gamble by him that luckily paid off by his substitutions n bringing in Bruno Fernandes for creativity :)

But they won tonight again all thanks n by the heroics of their GK DDG who saved nearly 3 to 4 certain goals :)

Originally Posted by lacoruna69 (Post 20955494)

...With that, Man U secured entry to the next stage...