Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki (Post 5652218)

Tot you trying to escape from HFJ?
Control, don't go, targeted budget won't work, you will spend more, control, take a deep breath ;)
Like me tonight, only went to 2 joints with my current syt meimei to give ang-pows to the flower girls as a gesture of appreciation for their good service. Singers asked for ang-pows and I told them my any-pows only for the staffs and they should give me ang pows instead :p No hang flower and all that shits....me and my girl had only few glasses and now back to mountain for a cool night :p

Originally Posted by 花场Escapefrom (Post 5652667)

Some of the joints, at the lower end of the spectrum, the girls are really trapped in a hopeless situation, akin to truly being Hetaera, without the respect or even dignity and truly imprisoned in their gowns.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetaera

The number of truly big flower kings have really diminished from the 10 odd to maybe around 6 right now, and if you notice their hanging patterns, it is usually much more conservative than even a couple of years back.

I speak from the perspective of a buyer ending up with the short end of the stick, caveat emptor, buyer beware.

I had a interesting conversation with one of close friends who was trying to warn me about girls... And i told him, i was truly aware of the industry and more importantly, it is all about money in the end, yes there is true love, but in most cases it is still fueled by money.
So i sort of shocked him by saying, each girl had to set their own price, whether it is love, or attention or time spent on them or whether it is tangible objects or cash 1k 2k 3 k 4k or 10k... So the main issue is the right market price.. :( hate to be so crude)
As he was falling in love with one singer for the first time, himself, so i am keeping a wary eye out, less than 1k so far in the first month, but he is already getting into the system.
Symptoms.
a. Worrying about the number of mandatory tables, she need per week.
b. Worried that during PPC, she did not get any flowers.
c. Worried that he needs to hang every time he goes to the joint.
d. Going into the dusk to dawn mode....
e. Getting very understanding when she needs to go for supper with other customers etc.... he does not really understand what it means.

Ah yes, 6 months feel bored, then you shift to another club and hope springs afresh :)

Escape planning in progress,
V1.2 beta escape plan not feasible, redrafting v1.3

Originally Posted by 花场Escapefrom (Post 5652667)

Some of the joints, at the lower end of the spectrum, the girls are really trapped in a hopeless situation, akin to truly being Hetaera, without the respect or even dignity and truly imprisoned in their gowns.
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Escape planning in progress,
V1.2 beta escape plan not feasible, redrafting v1.3

Originally Posted by songest (Post 5653014)

Come back to visit Alcatraz as a tourist, and not a player :)

Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki (Post 5653040)

Tourist (Cheongster) not a Hanger (Player) :D:p

Originally Posted by taiwanmei (Post 5652321)

In today's evening newspaper, about one couple. They worked very hard to setup a printing company, good business, then the husband started to enjoy all night events, spent all money, ignored his business, now need to sell HDB to pay bank loan.

Originally Posted by taiwanmei (Post 5652321)

As for hfj addiction, my friend told me, after 6 months, you will feel very bored. I went a few times, but never miss any of the hfj or singer. Lucky.

And these days, really no good, lny songs all hfjs, terrible for ears. We are so familair with these songs, so if the singer can not sing somehow, WaKao life.

Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki (Post 5653130)

IMHO, that guy in the paper deserved what he is now. Not so much of an addiction in his case but rather a person who has forgotten his humble beginnings, earlier struggle together with his wife, poor money mangement and most importantly - Mixing with 猪朋狗友,夜夜萧歌.
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正所为: 一年之计在于春,一日之计在于晨, 一家之计在于和,一生之计在于勤:p



曾经沧海难为水，除却巫山不是云。取次花丛懒回顾，半缘修道半缘君:D

Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki (Post 5653130)

IMHO, that guy in the paper deserved what he is now. Not so much of an addiction in his case but rather a person who has forgotten his humble beginnings, earlier struggle together with his wife, poor money mangement and most importantly - Mixing with 猪朋狗友,夜夜萧歌.:rolleyes::(

正所为: 一年之计在于春,一日之计在于晨, 一家之计在于和,一生之计在于勤:p



曾经沧海难为水，除却巫山不是云。取次花丛懒回顾，半缘修道半缘君:D

Originally Posted by MoralEpitome (Post 5652958)

This is the dynamics of a hfj which you can exploit to screw the singer if this is what you want...you have to ask yourself what is the end game...some wants love some wants a screw...maybe some just want to while away the time and some companionship...if you are sure of what you want then you will not fall into any self fulfilling trap

Originally Posted by songest (Post 5653014)

Just like your comment that they are trapped in their gowns,
I would encourage you not to be trapped in HFJ (Hang Flower Jacket).
It's a passing phase of your life and u are free to choose to end it earlier
than later. In that sense, you are in better shape in that you are free to choose,
some unfortunate ones struggles very hard to even have the freedom of choice.

Turn your escape from HFJ into an escape from Alcatraz, 'cos no one
wants to return to Alcatraz ... and be finally free.

You have a goal as epitomised in your nick. Just need strong will to execute.

一年之计在于春, 离厂之计在于今 (厂 as in HFJoint)

Best wishes for a successful escape, no more betas, no more redrafts.
Come back to visit Alcatraz as a tourist, and not a player :)

Also, best wishes for those bros that choose to remain in this playground,
exercise control and restraint and play within your means, both financially and emotionally.

Originally Posted by 花场Escapefrom (Post 5653714)

Bro I.K, my thoughts are in agreement with the phrase 猪朋狗友,夜夜萧歌.

It was someone who introduced me to HFJ :) and i had to buy my first bottle... and my first flower.

So it is definitely, the right people or wrong people that makes all of the difference.

Had to learn a lesson, the wrong way.

People live their lives in social circles, I visualise it simply as the shopping centre at parklane, during day time, it is normal, at night it becomes a different place altogether....

The wrong friends can lead one down the wrong path completely.

Originally Posted by 花场Escapefrom (Post 5653744)

i am not going to hang any single dollar for HFJs till, i get my life back on track.

Originally Posted by MoralEpitome (Post 5653988)

....of cos if you earn more you can hang more if you earn less than hang less....

Originally Posted by Ichigo_Kurosaki (Post 5653973)

These types of 夜夜萧歌猪朋狗友 are aplenty in HFJ/KTV and night joints. Especially free loaders and using our ass as their face. Most often than not, these "dog meat friends" are not trustworthy and reliable nor good at at keeping confidence and will tell everyone at the 1st opportunity and spreading rumors. One do not expect them to defend you when you are in trouble. They will just go with the flow of change of events. I personally had terminated and kicked out 1-2 of them among my groups of friends/bros. Normally, these are those that got involved with my groupies through introduction by other friends/bros and mind you, they are not poor or jobless but professional with good salary (in fact, we do not mind at all if our friends/bros are tight on cash or in trouble cos we will offer help all the way) :p

Anyway, being Good Friends/Bros are not just about having a good time with others. It's far more important than just drinking, cheonging, talk cocks and singing songs. It involves meaningful conversation and sincerity that is more than just an acquaintances and are willing to put friends 1st or point out when they're doing something we don't agree with. Most importantly, willing to make available to friends at short notice and welcome them if they turn up at our doorsteps.

You be surprised that even in this thread there are a few of them that can keep in a "potential reallife goodfriend book" even though their style might not be your cup of tea. I did actually. :D

It is a wise decision ;)

Originally Posted by 花场Escapefrom (Post 5654600)

Life is funny, one door closes and another few doors open.