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Hello bros,
I'm curious how common tipping is after the service provided?

If you have good service and want to return to her then it could be better for RTF but I'm curious on what the WL's expect in terms of tipping? Maybe, it's different if it's cat50 and cat150.

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the more the merrier lor...

bro.. dont need to tip la.. if wl "likes" u to go over many many times, they dont need the tip from u... just your presence

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If u like u can tip them. Usually not required to give any tips.

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thanks for trying to spoil the market, carrot

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Bro , unfortunately our market is in competition with other places for the supplies which is the girls, i.e. other countries the girls gets paid more. Even in their homeland.

This is what I understood from an okt. If based on current pricing of S$150, the girls take S$80 only unless okt pays them more. S$80 is about RMB400 per shot, and may be lower than what they can get back home. If you tip another S$30, that’s about RMB 150 which the girl will take RMB 550, seems more decent. (Note: I used a better exchange rate already)

But of course they are still ok to serve you for $150. It’s just that if the better girls finds this price not worthwhile they will just move on.

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My standard tip is $50 if the girl is above average and I want her to remember me.

If I really like the girl, I will go for double sessions to enjoy a more romantic encounter.

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hmmm... no more defending tipping:rolleyes:

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CAT $150 customers are in need of an upgrade. The people in this section are mostly old heads. I bet most are not even on Telegram. They think got wechat already modern.

People who say tipping spoils the market are just poor fucks who want everyone to pay the same price so that the WL will see them as equals. Dream the fuck on. Those who are more yandao and tip with more presents will almost always get better service. This is GL, money in exchange for rented love. Want to play kamcheng, grow up please.

The rate in Spore is NOT market rate. It is a rate set by anti-vice. Market rate is demand and supply. Now you got supply? If you don't know what is market rate, you already reveal that you don't have much education. Just like bronze cheebye, everything he says shows he got no education and has very limited thinking. I would ask you to get educated but you're probably too old.

The rate set by anti-vice is BELOW the market rate that PRCs can get in other countries and other related jobs. By that, I mean for $150, you can only get SOME over the hill WLs or young WLs but don't look good. Most not coming. For young and and gd looking, you need to pay $250 and above.

Tipping comes in to make up this shortfall with not a cent to the OKT. Ie. To attract the quality WLs to work here, customers must make up the shortfall of $100 or thereabouts. This is the real market rate.

I don't force anyone to tip. I'm just talking reality but some people can't take the truth. What I am against is idiots who still don't realise that their money no enough and that houses are closing down. If you are not willing to pay for quality, then you eat shit.

The great bullshitter claims he tip $50. LOL. He is a dirt poor son of a bitch who can only afford $80 and totally doesn't understand FRs or GL. The WLs do NOT want to be famous and do 12 customers a day at $150. Even if the WL wants to do this, she won't last long.

WLs only want to do 5 or 6 but at a higher rate. In addition, most WLs are not interested in taking in Mozi type of customers.

FRs do not raise the industry at all. Poor fucks like bronze cheebye can only afford $80 once a month. You can write 10 FRs, his budget won't increase. He spent on 1 WL he will not have money for another. Saying FRs will help the industry is one of the dumbest claims I've ever heard. This idiot lives in a cave, and despite being around for so long, doesn't have much contact with OKTs or WLs. He doesn't even know who are the real OKTs (towkay) and who are just counter staff. A colossal joke.

Tip or don't tip is up to you and between you and the WL. At the end of the day, if the customers got no money, all the houses just convert to $50 or retire. Nothing too difficult.

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I tip my regular $50 Thai WLs $50. Get very good service when RTF. Raw, CIP, 2 shots etc.

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funny. for some of the regular WLs i used to go to, i never tip and still enjoy fantastic services. I guess if u are regular enough, you can get away with it. They still earn more from me than a guy who tip them 50 who dont ever come again for the next 3 months.

This is a more reasonable comment boosting about your PERSONAL experience. Nothing to dispute.

BUT the overwhelming complaint from the WL here is money not enough. The overwhelming complaint from OKT is that the supply has dried up and WLs are not willing to come. Houses are closing or converting left, right and centre.

So do we want to ignore the obvious: money not enough or continue to hope that everyone can have your PERSONAL experience.

Ppl who tip don't spoil the market. They are barely sustaining it. If you have no money to tip, that's fair enough. But don't come up with crap excuses about spoiling market and don't need to because you get best service. MOST, are not coming. The supply is drying up. What does that tell you? Need to tip or don't need? No need ah? Orh ok. You smart loh.

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They earn more from you because they had to work longer hours. Do you have a job because you don't seem to understand how to make profit. What you want to do is get promoted and earn more from the same hours of work put in. You must love doing OT.

A WL is attracted to come to Spore if per session, she gets to earn more. She is not interested in working like a dog to earn more. By your logic, why not they all downgrade to $100 per session sure full house everyday and love regular customers like you? You go volunteer to your boss to pay you less but allow you to work more hours, swee bo? Like that you can earn more from your boss.

So for all WLs who were so lucky to have you as their regular, their feedback back to PRC is no matter how gd a service they provide and no matter how many times, they will never get a tip.

Ppl who tip spoil market or you spoil market? If you don't tip, just keep quiet no one say anything. Or you expecting an award for announcing that you're a cheapo?

Tip or not upto individual and their financial. If tip $50 and visit every week, it will be like $800 per month. What is SG median income? Let say $6k, that will be 16% of your net income.
But tip and RTF sure will have diff treatment. To me, as long the WL provide the minimum service, i will tip her $20, who knows next time i will meet her again, and hope her service will improve.

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I agree with your first point. If you have no money like bronze cheebye, or if you helmsey who wants to broadcast that no many how many times he recieves "fantastic" service from a WL, he NEVER tips, this is your right. But please spare the crap excuses about market rate ans robert and so on. No money that's all.

Your second point about medium salary is incomplete. Why guess? The medium salary in 2017 is around $4300. But I can't see how this is of much relevance unless you want to compare yourself with fresh poly grads and self confessed roadsweepers.

But let me complete the point for you. The medium salary in 2007, some 10yrs ago, was $2300 or so. The rate in GL has not changed for 30yrs. So how?

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I guess WL should get around $150 per session to keep the standard.

Now they get $80.

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What was RMB SGD exchange rate 30 years back?
Median salary is blown upwards by top 10 percentile who earns in the 100 of thousands

Market demand and supply is always there... if the set price is raised... there may be less GL chiongsters and the problem become cyclic....

and if you do not know china mkt dun talk rot... agreeably china has a much higher returns but at the expense of being caught which may shortlived the WL earnings

GL is legalised and thats what some WL said to avoid the risk of up the lorry....

There are angpai WL ... do they get tips often.... they are angpai because they rendered good service with or without tips...

Again where some super crazy rich asians have the $$ to throw... so be it.... nobody stopping them....

Robert is only when you get chopped but tips is a willing gesture so i dun find any robert carrot in tipping....

What i dun understand is why so hard up on tipping as though your life depend on it:confused:

Let the willing party tip and unwilling party not tip....the consequence is for them to bear ... if no tip still get good service so be it....

sometimes good service come not neccessarily from monetary perspective...maybe the bros are tall dark and handsome.... maybe the chemistry is there.... if you belive tipping get better service... go on and tip but should not demand others to follow....

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Agree with you totally here.

(During my years of bonking in GL, I had tipped only a handful of WLs for utmost effort to please me, give me a very special and soothing experience when I was clearly tired or visits during CNY period.)

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Sharing my experience of tipping also get zap...

You AGREE with that the China market is higher but ask me not to talk rot about China market. Friend, you wake up already? What the fuck are you saying? They scared up lorry ah? A fucker, the whole world only got Spore and China work? Did you see I said "other related" jobs. Eg. KTV.

I didn't demand anyone to follow. I said if the industry cannot sustain because the customers cannot afford, so be it. If you're fucking god smack blind, get a pair of glasses and learn to read properly.

You mean the the top 10% didn't raise the medium income in 2007 and 1997? What feihua are you talking? Did you read the part that I asked what is the relevance of bringing in medium income? Don't fucking come and talk cock to someone who actually pays salaries hor. Nowadays fresh ITE already over $2000. What top 10% you talking?

Your income didn't go up doesn't mean others income didn't go up.

Yah that's why they not coming anymore. I guess you guys live in a world where you don't understand what is market rate and are blind to the supply drying up.

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hmm.. tipping doesn't ensure you better service on your next visit bro
they got so many customer each day, how to rmb u
Honestly, u just have to be nice and reasonable to them, and they will repay u back with good service. I don't encourage tipping since it kinda spoil market

There's once I wna tip a FL at WH20 LISA and she refused to take, she said to visit her more often can liao
I was quite touch by her work attitude, will rtf for this type of FLs

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Agreed.... money doesnt buy everything..... include good service lol

there was once a yoyo@2062 who provide top notch service all the time, really missed her. No tipping required.:)

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I go to the house. OKT asked for 50 80 100 120 150 i paid accordingly. The WL do her job. That is market rate.

No malaysians... no problem... come the PRC....
No PRC no problem come the viet....

Indeed as china develop, its citizens get better off and less girl go into this trade... we should be happy for them:)

Agreed with a bro said, tipping is on own willingness, tip dont mean is carrot head or spoil market. As it happen between the customer and WL. Some bro also calculated that a WL can make 400k to 500k if stay here for 2 years. This money could be a sum that they dont make in their whole life if work as clerk back in China. But they also sacrifice their dignity and sometime got to serve those demand alot, stink and rough customer.
So if one want to tip, tip within his mean. Life getting tough ahead, got to take care our own financial well before being generous.

Hi bo takchek. LOL. Market rate is the price set by a FREE market of goods and services. The prices that the OKT gives you is a price set by anti-vice. It is NOT a FREE market of goods and services. Ie. It is not decided by the market but by govt.

So hor, when you go to the polyclinic, take bus or buy first time HDB, the price you pay is interfered by govt. It is NOT market rate. Ah Hia, so old already still don't know?

Please don't use economic terms that you don't understand. If you want to talk bird and define 'market rate' according to whatever you like, you talk to your own asshole or find gina to play with. You can find bronze cheebye kia, that one confirm gina brain.

Is that why you can't find even one Yoyo around these days and miss her so much?

Let me try to explain to you as how I would talk to a baby.

If what you say is true, tipping is not required and you pay market rate, the industry should be stable and Yoyos should be readily available.

The fact that houses are closing down and supply has dried up indicates that customers like you are not paying market rate and PRICED OUT OF THE MARKET. So enjoy whatever scraps you can find while it lasts.

So what you say is true in there being no problem, you go fuck Vietnam or go for $60 PRC whatever.

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Bro, though there is some truth in your logic, there is also the other view.

There isn’t just enough customers in GL, to pay the basic $150. Not mentioning about tips. The houses brought girls in but the customers did not spread out or you can say are focus in a few houses. Usually if all Cheongsters go into these few select houses, they will burst and overspill. But it seems very quiet.
If there is no customer paying 150, tips is just a moot point.
Not sure is it the economy or the market or more difficult to make money now, people has less dispensable cash.

CAT150 used to be premium. Many carrotheads to sustain the industry. Those customers have moved on with the times, myself included. I used to pay less than $200 for FL. Now is almost $300. Normal inflation. CAT150 for me not much interest, looks and age the standard is not there.

Now CAT150 is budget. The remaining customers do not have the financial ability to sustain. CAT150 being absorbed into CAT80 AND CAT50 becauae the spending power of the customers is about that standard. Nothing much to do with the economy which is not good and not bad. Actually picking up since this year.

Another way to look at market rate is to take out $150 and see what you can buy with it in Spore. I believe you tried FL before. At $150, for FL no matter Thai or PRC or what...the standard is shit. This is the real market rate.

Too long to explain everything going on but this is the general picture.