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Originally Posted by SEAJ
Reading this I just gotta LMFAO…LOUD!!
And then there is the added complication of the rising wealth of the Chinese themselves – a phenomena that is being duplicated in Vietnam I believe – and these guys starting to also throw money around.
So I say, if you think you can keep things all hunky-dorey in HCMC as it is right now, think again!
And I’d instead just suggest that you enjoy your lay of the land as much as you can …. before it also goes all to hell!!
SEAJ
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Dear SEAJ, with greatest ( hmm hmm) respect, i would like the right of reply to this effectively pointless debate apart from on a mildly intellectual basis.
Firstly I assume when you are saying you are laughing out aloud its in regards to what you percieve as my naivity. After my post maybe you will see that it is yourself who is in fact naive.
Firstly I conceed you points about chang ping and you know chang ping best so its would be stupid of me to debate how and what CP has become, secondly it would be equally stupid of me to say that VN etc will always remain the same.
What I am trying to say is this,
1. Chang ping ISNT the same as Vietnam, and neither is VN the same as AC, BKK, PATTAYA, JKARTA or any of the other sex hot spots around the world.
Correct me if im wrong, but it is my understanding chang ping is quite small(1,440km sq) with all the vice ie bbs and ktv segregated on a few streets or within a relatively small area so, not only is it organised but uniform with that 2/5/8 standardisation . HN and HCM is NOT like that its a huge city (2100 km sq) with HIDDEN vice, it will be vice presented as a cafe, bubble tea shop, a restaurant, a barbershop, etc etc, and its spread out in all the districts all 15 or so, and often with only 1-2 such establishments on each street. Sure there will be areas where they are clumped but with recent developments thats changing. Then you factor the disorganised nature of these establishments, the scammy nature of viets, you will get a scenario where i will go in get one girl, get charged a certain price with a certain level of service, now u can go in cant get that girl, get a different service and get charged a different price as well, this isnt exactly user friendly for most guys and they will not return. Why is it that jakarta isnt as popular as say BKK or AC or CP...if anything purely based on teh fact that its vice is so spread out, and its vice is definatly more discoverable than VN as well as the pricing is much more transparent. There is no debate that Vn will change in time, but the factors i have mentions will retard its decline IMO.
2. the next point is to address the nature of men, the truth is men go to sex hot spots not only for the price but for the service, you wont find many indians in thailand for example because the girls look down and refuse service, likewise u dont see as many chinese based men in the phillipines compared to say whites, again based on the receptivness of the girls. Also men are inherently lazy, they wont make the effort to hunt out the scene, they expect to be spoon fed, i mean look at H88 he is one of the most passionate advocators of vn, and yet he prob knows 1/10 of what i know because he too (lazy) to find new places or he finds it too hard..now if he is like that the senior the TS etc who has been comming here for 10 yrs or so compared to my 6 yrs...what do you think will happens to the hordes of chinese new money, esp with teh age old distrust of teh chinese by the viets. On a separate note, the ONE reasons singaporean men are said to be liked by viet women is that they easy to control, gentle and money comes out of their ass like a atm with a few soft words, any one who doenst accept that is delusional, they can call it being a gentleman, quote singaprean gdp, how many countries u can visit visa free blha blah
3. The final point is, given the truths you stated it would be extreme foolishness for me to accellerate vn decline by freely passing information to all the chang ping refugees, which was my original post.
Btw ill be going to china next year for my month long cheong exploration, and if i do find any hidden play grounds which i believe there are, given my track record in laos, cambodia and indonesia...ill pass u on a few tidbits in memory when you laughed at my naivity
