Budget Hotel Raided on 3rd April

[seanlaw]

Originally Posted by Xgenre

Actually, I'll like to look at the broader picture of the raid. I think the government really needs to wake up. Firstly, they allow H81 and Fragrance to pop up at the heartlands, like Kovan. ...

If the government can allow H81 and Fragrance to pop up in the heartlands, t... It's really quite confusing for people. (To our government) As the chinese saying goes, GOD and DEVIL also you.

... Then when sleaze follows, our government will come 'clean up' the sleaze. Sleaze that they allowed to sprout in the first place. A bit hypocritical isn't it?

I agree with what you have written and is possible to win favor during that period of election from the young and even older generation. 好坏也是您! Good, Bad also you!

Recently, Mr. Teo CH visited NUS and a student ask about what SM said.

Quoted from link: Young Singaporeans should have confidence in their future, says DPM Teo - Yahoo! Singapore News

One student urged leaders to do away with what he calls "the culture of fear" in politics.

Farouk Osman, an Undergraduate, said: "It’s regarding a statement made by the Minister Mentor that if the opposition wins in a GRC contest then Singaporeans should better sell their flat because they would no longer be of any value. I think that’s bad. He’s basically saying don’t vote the opposition and my feeling is that most Singaporeans don’t like being told what to do, especially regarding political stuff and this is especially so for people like us, the younger generation."

And now there is talk about the coming election, and sensing the rise in older folks. The Gs got to put on a good show first.

[peanut123]

I missed this post from this bro/sis, but let me try to address the points raised.

If you have sex without money involved, then no problem. You are not a hooker, so the law leaves you alone provided they are satisfied that this was really the case. If they are suspicious, they;ll just grill you until they are satisfied.

If you give money to a girl after sex without prior-arrangement, then obviously she's not a hooker. A hooker agrees on payment BEFORE the act.

When the girls are arrested, they are simply kicked out of the country and possibly denied entry upon future visits. Why waste space and money housing them and feeding them in jail for 6 months to a year ? The fact that the AV bother to spend time and effort arresting these girls and deporting them is a clear sign that the activities are illegal.

As for exploitation of passes, all FLs are exploiting their passes, because none of the passes permit them to work as FL. So the check is not for permit/pass exploitation ( which is a given ), but that the FLs are operating.

The law does not say that prostitution is legal. I know because I checked the Singapore statutes, but if I missed that particular section, pls point it out to me. It does however spell out what commercial sex activities are illegal, and leaves the rest to the discretion of the courts.

But, it is however the government's policy that commercial sex workers must be registered and issued a sex-worker card before they can work as hookers.

And from this, you already know the government's stand : if you got no licence, you cannot work as a sex worker or you will be breaking the law. I used the analogy of hawker as an analogy in another post : if you wanna sell food, you must have a licence. If you sell food without licence, the government may close one eye if nothing goes wrong. But if anyone complains, or gets food-poisoning, or your business is too big to ignore, then the government will clamp down very hard on you and close you down. Same for hookers, except they are selling pussy instead of food. It is legal ONLY if you have a licence.

Originally Posted by jesgirl

No, let's say u just know someone in a pub and she agree to have sex with you. You then give her some money as appreciation what is wrong with that? What's the borderline? I can even have sex with anyone without money involvement too.

The raid on the street are to ensure there are no exploitation on permit or passes. Do they lock up all the 100 girls that up lorry?

The law says "Prostitution is legal in Singapore but pimping and public solicitation are not." -> know how to answer next time? :B

[Cerberus]

Seemed like they are going after the clients too.

Originally Posted by zanna

19 suspects arrested in two sting operations; clients now being traced

SINGAPORE - At one of the websites, which touts itself as Singapore's sex social network, surfers are greeted by Ling, a full-figured Chinese girl with red-dyed permed hair and clad in a bikini. If you want to "book" her, the post says, send a text message to the number provided and you will get a confirmation SMS including the rates and location - usually a budget hotel.

Intense street competition is seeing the world's oldest profession move to cyberspace, and local law enforcers are hot on the perpetrators' trail with at least two sting operations over the past week.

Last Tuesday, acting on "a tip-off", the police cracked down on a syndicate that was using the Internet to sell sex. Seven people - two local men and five Mongolian women - were arrested in the joint operation by the Criminal Investigation Department, Central Narcotics Bureau and Police Intelligence Department.

Cash totalling about $7,000 was seized, along with seven mobile phones, two laptops, several memory storage devices, documents and 40 pornographic DVDs.

Police are now tracing the suspects' clients to help with the probe, but MediaCorp understands that customers are not likely to be prosecuted - though other abettors won't be let off lightly.

"We take a serious view of such syndicate members who conduct their illicit businesses over the Internet," said Superintendent of Police Goh Lam Kiong, assistant director of the specialised crime division.

"For hotel operators who are found to have knowingly allowed the syndicates to operate in their premises, we will also take them to task."

Another sting over the weekend saw 12 female Chinese nationals arrested at two budget hotels in Kovan. They too had been plying their trade online.

Despite such clampdowns, e-pimps advertise blatantly on social network websites. On one website, which openly welcomes pimps among its users, men swop information on and review "illegal freelance" prostitutes, many of whom appear to be mainland Chinese or Filipino women. The explicit details include rates and freebies.

In another section on the site, a pimp shows off his goods: Thai girls. A hyperlink takes you to his own website, and potential customers are advised to call a mobile number to book a girl. They are even promised breakfast from 10.30am to noon, and a $10 discount if they bring a friend.

Apart from the obvious pimps, are forums that host such postings - as well as forum users who recommend prostitutes - falling afoul of the law?

According to criminal lawyer Sunil Sudheesan, senior legal associate at KhattarWong, those who help or instigate others on such websites and forums to procure the services of a prostitutes, could be nabbed for abetting the sale or hiring of women for prostitution.

"Ultimately, it depends on how the details are traded," said Mr Sudheesan. "It stands to reason that these forums aid in the procurement of women for prostitution."

[Sperm Man]

Prostitution is legal in Singapore. However vice-related activities are not; namely

1) public solicitation for the purpose prostitution
2) living on the earnings of a prostitute eg. pimping
3) maintaining a place of assignation eg. an unregulated brothel
4) obtaining the sexual services of a person under 18 years of age

Singapore's legislation does not expressly states what is legal, only states what is illegal, in the relevant Acts, Penal Codes, Charter's etc

The only reason I could think of why prostitution is legal in Singapore is to keep sex-related offences low.

The recent raid is prompted by residents' complaints and media reports.

Originally Posted by peanut123

IThe law does not say that prostitution is legal. I know because I checked the Singapore statutes, but if I missed that particular section, pls point it out to me. It does however spell out what commercial sex activities are illegal, and leaves the rest to the discretion of the courts.

[steedy]

I went to Kovan 81 last nite with my FB, the staffs now checking ID on my FB. Only local and PR is allow. Quene infront of me got one uncle with a PRC, the PRC took out her green card, the staff dun allow him to book the room.

[peanut123]

I think we have already debated this topic to death. The fact is simply :

Prostitution is legal provided the hooker has a licence.
Selling food is legal provided the hawker has a licence.
Practicing medicine is legal provided the doctor has a licence.
Etc etc. No one ever said being a doctor is illegal. But to be legal, you need a licence to practice medicine. Same for hawkers. Same for lawyers. Same for hookers.

In other words, you need a licence. All those FLs without licences are NOT legal, and thus can be arrested and deported if caught. And if she's local, she's subject to fine and jail if they decide to prosecute her, just like a unlicensed doctor or unlicensed lawyer. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Sperm Man

Prostitution is legal in Singapore. However vice-related activities are not;

[peanut123]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

Seemed like they are going after the clients too.

Shit. Better stick to GL and Petain for the time being.

[naturegreen]

Originally Posted by steedy

Quene infront of me got one uncle with a PRC, the PRC took out her green card, the staff dun allow him to book the room.

Green card is what? So mean hotel81/Fragrance now only cater to Singaporeans and PRs? Foreigners rejected? Then how to operate? Hotel where got so many locals come and stay. Contradicting hor?

[Xgenre]

Originally Posted by peanut123

Shit. Better stick to GL and Petain for the time being.

The aunties of Keong Siak will like me to remind you that you are always in their hearts. Although what they earn per session is peanut, every peanut (be it 1 peanut, 2 peanuts or 3 peanuts) counts.

[Scary Tummy]

Originally Posted by peanut123

I think we have already debated this topic to death. The fact is simply :

Prostitution is legal provided the hooker has a licence.
Selling food is legal provided the hawker has a licence.
Practicing medicine is legal provided the doctor has a licence.
Etc etc. No one ever said being a doctor is illegal. But to be legal, you need a licence to practice medicine. Same for hawkers. Same for lawyers. Same for hookers.

In other words, you need a licence. All those FLs without licences are NOT legal, and thus can be arrested and deported if caught. And if she's local, she's subject to fine and jail if they decide to prosecute her, just like a unlicensed doctor or unlicensed lawyer. Simple as that.

Bro peanut, very good explanation !

[jesgirl]

These women are not offenders, but if they solicit for sex in public, they will be prosecuted, says Ho Peng Kee

Women brought here and forced to be prostitutes will not be prosecuted. Neither will foreign women who come here to earn money as prostitutes.

The reason they are not treated as offenders is that prostitution is not an offence here. However, if they solicit for sex in public, they will be prosecuted.

Read the actual article here: yax-383 Prostitution is not illegal in Singapore

Other info: Sexual Offences Laws - Singapore

[Sperm Man]

Originally Posted by peanut123

In other words, you need a licence. All those FLs without licences are NOT legal, and thus can be arrested and deported if caught. And if she's local, she's subject to fine and jail if they decide to prosecute her, just like a unlicensed doctor or unlicensed lawyer. Simple as that.

Prostitution is a legal profession in singapore with or without an licence. Prostitutes, local or foreign, are free to ply the trade here. Local/foreign FLs can never be prosecuted cos there are no provisions in the penal code or women's charter. Most foreign FLs are arrested for immigration-related offences whom are usually released with written warning or are deported. However, overstayers will be fined or jailed.

As much as I am utterly curious about your source of information, which I dutifully clarify the facts so that other bros here are adequately equipped to make informed decisions.

[jesgirl]

Originally Posted by Sperm Man

Prostitution is a legal profession in singapore with or without an licence. Prostitutes, local or foreign, are free to ply the trade here. Local/foreign FLs can never be prosecuted cos there are no provisions in the penal code or women's charter. Most foreign FLs are arrested for immigration-related offences whom are usually released with written warning or are deported. However, overstayers will be fined or jailed.

As much as I am utterly curious about your source of information, which I dutifully clarify the facts so that other bros here are adequately equipped to make informed decisions.

This is correct.

[Lost Sheep]

Originally Posted by peanut123

I think we have already debated this topic to death. The fact is simply :

Prostitution is legal provided the hooker has a licence.
Selling food is legal provided the hawker has a licence.
Practicing medicine is legal provided the doctor has a licence.
Etc etc. No one ever said being a doctor is illegal. But to be legal, you need a licence to practice medicine. Same for hawkers. Same for lawyers. Same for hookers.

In other words, you need a licence. All those FLs without licences are NOT legal, and thus can be arrested and deported if caught. And if she's local, she's subject to fine and jail if they decide to prosecute her, just like a unlicensed doctor or unlicensed lawyer. Simple as that.

I have yet to hear of any court case that prostitutes, be they locals or
foreigners, are charged in court for not having a license.

We are all guessing, any bros who are legal eagles can comment
on this issue ?

[jesgirl]

The latest raid in kovan, 17 women, 2 men.
Why two men? where are the customers? The two are likely okt.

Those raid in GL etc, you mean they lock up all the 200 ladies? I guess the logical answer is clear enough.

Of course I am neutral in these issues but agree with Sperm Man:
"As much as I am utterly curious about your source of information, which I dutifully clarify the facts so that other bros here are adequately equipped to make informed decisions."